[Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a real debate
Carl Westberg
carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:30:57 -0800
Regarding Tom's question, whoever he or she may be will become a target of
character assassination, with thinly veiled accusations of a certain lack of
patriotism.
Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
>Reply-To: <thansen@moscow.com>
>To: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>, <pduffau@adelphia.net>,
> <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a real debate
>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:12:40 -0800
>
>And besides, it seems that Bush has to conduct "damage control" with some
>spin every time another Republican rolls over on him.
>
>Question: Who wil be the next Republican to roll over?
>
>Take care,
>
>Tom Hansen
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carl Westberg [mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:33 AM
> > To: pduffau@adelphia.net; thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a real debate
> >
> >
> > While the idea of monthly debates between Kerry and Bush is laudable, it
> > will never happen. The Bush administration will just continue to
> > make snide
> > comments, and avoid actual face to face debate, because the fact is that
> > Dubya's handlers won't allow it. The thought of George W. Bush in an
> > unscripted dialogue without benefit of a teleprompter? Surely Comedy
> > Central material.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl
> > Westberg Jr.
> >
> >
> > >From: Paul Duffau <pduffau@adelphia.net>
> > >To: thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a real debate
> > >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:06:18 -0800
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >Why spoil the fun? I'm enjoying Kerry debate himself. He's for $87
> > >billion for Iraq then he's against it. He's for weapons systems that
>he
> > >was against. He's against tax cuts but he's for them. Please, please,
> > >please don't stop the Kerry v.Kerry show. It beats anything (except
>the
> > >NCAA's) on TV.
> > >
> > >Paul Duffau
> > >
> > >At 08:12 PM 3/22/04 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >From Moveon.org -
> > > >
> > > >Several weeks ago, Tom Cole, a Republican Congressman in
> > Oklahoma spoke
> > >to
> > > >supporters about the upcoming election. "If George Bush loses the
> > >election,
> > > >Osama bin Laden wins the election," he told them. (1) Later, he said
> > >that a
> > > >vote against Bush was like a vote for Adolf Hitler.
> > > >
> > > >These hateful and outrageous remarks - which neither the RNC nor the
> > > >Bush/Cheney campaign will repudiate -- are representative of
> > the negative
> > > >campaign being rolled out against John Kerry. Bush is now airing the
> > >first
> > > >negative ads of the season, which according to nonpartisan monitors
>(2)
> > > >seriously misled viewers about Kerry's record.
> > > >
> > > >In response, Senator Kerry is taking the high road. He's
> > asked President
> > >Bush
> > > >to engage in a series of monthly debates on the country's future --
> > >debates on
> > > >the real substance of the issues that face us. It's a simple
>proposal
> > >that
> > > >could elevate the campaign and truly educate the country about the
> > >positions
> > > >and records of each candidate. But President Bush's campaign
> > brushed off
> > >the
> > > >suggestion with a snide remark. (3)
> > > >
> > > >Today, we're asking President Bush to stand up and face a real
>debate.
> > >You can
> > > >join our petition asking President Bush to debate Kerry on the
> > future of
> > >our
> > > >country at:
> > > >
> > >
> >http://www.moveonpac.org/debate/?id=2476-1614596-IIN5sQ7ftxxAuZNEtUftUA
> > > >
> > > >We'll send your comment on to the Bush/Cheney campaign and
> > highlight this
> > >issue
> > > >in the media.
> > > >
> > > >The negative tenor of the campaign so far even has Republicans
>worried.
> > > >Senator John McCain reprimanded the President for the negative
> > campaign,
> > > >saying, "Already, I'm hearing from people here that are saying,
>'Look,
> > >I'm not
> > > >even going to vote if this is the way the campaign's going to be
> > >conducted.'"(4)
> > > >
> > > >Here's a summary of some of the attacks that have unfolded just in
>the
> > >first
> > > >two weeks.
> > > >
> > > > * In the first negative ad of the general election, President Bush
> > >claimed
> > > >that Kerry would raise taxes by $900 billion. The figure
> > turned out to
> > >be
> > > >entirely made up -- John Kerry promised to lower taxes on working
> > >families, not
> > > >raise them. (5)
> > > >
> > > > * President Bush personally accused Kerry of attempting to "gut"
>the
> > > >intelligence budget in a "deeply irresponsible" move: Yet, as
> > >independent
> > > >media monitor factcheck.org pointed out, "the proposal Bush
>criticized
> > >would
> > > >have amounted to a reduction of roughly 1%. And senior congressional
> > > >Republicans supported a cut two-thirds as large at the time." (6)
> > > >
> > > > * Vice President Cheney told reporters that he believed
> > Kerry does not
> > >have "an
> > > >impressive record for someone who aspires to be commander in chief in
> > >this time
> > > >of testing for our country." (7)
> > > >
> > > >By any standard, the campaign is already one of the most negative in
> > >political
> > > >history. But by engaging in a forward-looking debate, President Bush
> > >could
> > > >turn things around. It's much easier to make misleading
> > claims in TV ads
> > >than
> > > >to someone's face, and both Kerry and Bush would have hours -- not
> > >seconds --
> > > >to make their case to the public.
> > > >
> > > >Join us in asking President Bush to take the high road now at:
> > > >
> > >
> >http://www.moveonpac.org/debate/?id=2476-1614596-IIN5sQ7ftxxAuZNEtUftUA
> > > >
> > > >Sincerely,
> > > >--Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Wes, and Zack
> > > >The MoveOn PAC Team
> > > >March 22nd, 2004
> > > >
> > > >Footnotes:
> > > >
> > > >1. "Inside Politics," Washington Times, 3/4/04
> > > >http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040304-111104-3096r.htm
> > > >
> > > >2. "Bush Strains Facts Re: Kerry's Plan To Cut Intelligence Funding
>in
> > >'90's,"
> > > >FactCheck.org, 3/15/04
> > > >http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=153
> > > >
> > > >3. "Kerry Suggests Monthly Debates With President; Bush
> > Campaign Rejects
> > >the
> > > >Idea,"
> > > >Washington Post, 3/13/04
> > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56468-2004Mar13.html
> > > >
> > > >4. "McCain, Lieberman on 'Fox News Sunday'," Foxnews.com, 3/21/04
> > > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114763,00.html
> > > >
> > > >5. "George Bush's Credibility Problem: The Truth Behind His New
>Attack
> > >Ad,"
> > > >JohnKerry.com, 3/12/04
> > > >http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/001352.html#001352
> > > >
> > > >6. See 2, above.
> > > >
> > > >7. "Cheney calls Kerry weak on defense," CNN.com, 3/18/04
> > > >http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/cheney.reut/
> > > >
> > > >
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