[Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a real debate

Pat Kraut pkraut@moscow.com
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While there may be some people who like Bush and don't want him in for =
another four years there are many more that like him and do want him for =
another four years.=20
So.....we'll see what happens
PK



  Unless Kerry is found with a dead girl or live boy he will be the next =
President. Even people that like Bush don't want him in for another 4 =
years. Every week is a new scandle and he is a free spending liberal =
that has no clue as to the meaning of the word "Budget". He is gone in =
January of 05.=20

  Donovan J Arnold

  >From: Paul Duffau=20
  >To: thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com=20
  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a real debate=20
  >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:06:18 -0800=20
  >=20
  >Tom,=20
  >Why spoil the fun?  I'm enjoying Kerry debate himself.  He's for $87 =
billion for Iraq then he's against it.  He's for weapons systems that he =
was against.  He's against tax cuts but he's for them.  Please, please, =
please don't stop the Kerry v.Kerry show.  It beats anything (except the =
NCAA's) on TV.=20
  >=20
  >Paul Duffau=20
  >=20
  >At 08:12 PM 3/22/04 +0000, you wrote:=20
  > > >From Moveon.org -=20
  > >=20
  > >Several weeks ago, Tom Cole, a Republican Congressman in Oklahoma =
spoke to=20
  > >supporters about the upcoming election.  "If George Bush loses the =
election,=20
  > >Osama bin Laden wins the election," he told them. (1)  Later, he =
said that a=20
  > >vote against Bush was like a vote for Adolf Hitler.=20
  > >=20
  > >These hateful and outrageous remarks =AD- which neither the RNC nor =
the=20
  > >Bush/Cheney campaign will repudiate -- are representative of the =
negative=20
  > >campaign being rolled out against John Kerry.  Bush is now airing =
the first=20
  > >negative ads of the season, which according to nonpartisan monitors =
(2)=20
  > >seriously misled viewers about Kerry's record.=20
  > >=20
  > >In response, Senator Kerry is taking the high road.  He's asked =
President Bush=20
  > >to engage in a series of monthly debates on the country's future -- =
debates on=20
  > >the real substance of the issues that face us.  It's a simple =
proposal that=20
  > >could elevate the campaign and truly educate the country about the =
positions=20
  > >and records of each candidate.  But President Bush's campaign =
brushed off the=20
  > >suggestion with a snide remark. (3)=20
  > >=20
  > >Today, we're asking President Bush to stand up and face a real =
debate. You can=20
  > >join our petition asking President Bush to debate Kerry on the =
future of our=20
  > >country at:=20
  > >=20
  > =
>http://www.moveonpac.org/debate/?id=3D2476-1614596-IIN5sQ7ftxxAuZNEtUftU=
A=20
  > >=20
  > >We'll send your comment on to the Bush/Cheney campaign and =
highlight this issue=20
  > >in the media.=20
  > >=20
  > >The negative tenor of the campaign so far even has Republicans =
worried.=20
  > >Senator John McCain reprimanded the President for the negative =
campaign,=20
  > >saying, "Already, I'm hearing from people here that are saying, =
'Look, I'm not=20
  > >even going to vote if this is the way the campaign's going to be =
conducted.'"(4)=20
  > >=20
  > >Here's a summary of some of the attacks that have unfolded just in =
the first=20
  > >two weeks.=20
  > >=20
  > >  * In the first negative ad of the general election, President =
Bush claimed=20
  > >that Kerry would raise taxes by $900 billion.  The figure turned =
out to be=20
  > >entirely made up -- John Kerry promised to lower taxes on working =
families, not=20
  > >raise them. (5)=20
  > >=20
  > >  * President Bush personally accused Kerry of attempting to "gut" =
the=20
  > >intelligence budget in a "deeply irresponsible" move:  Yet, as =
independent=20
  > >media monitor factcheck.org pointed out, "the proposal Bush =
criticized would=20
  > >have amounted to a reduction of roughly 1%. And senior =
congressional=20
  > >Republicans supported a cut two-thirds as large at the time." (6)=20
  > >=20
  > >  * Vice President Cheney told reporters that he believed Kerry =
does not have "an=20
  > >impressive record for someone who aspires to be commander in chief =
in this time=20
  > >of testing for our country." (7)=20
  > >=20
  > >By any standard, the campaign is already one of the most negative =
in political=20
  > >history.  But by engaging in a forward-looking debate, President =
Bush could=20
  > >turn things around.  It's much easier to make misleading claims in =
TV ads than=20
  > >to someone's face, and both Kerry and Bush would have hours -- not =
seconds --=20
  > >to make their case to the public.=20
  > >=20
  > >Join us in asking President Bush to take the high road now at:=20
  > >=20
  > =
>http://www.moveonpac.org/debate/?id=3D2476-1614596-IIN5sQ7ftxxAuZNEtUftU=
A=20
  > >=20
  > >Sincerely,=20
  > >--Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Wes, and Zack=20
  > >The MoveOn PAC Team=20
  > >March 22nd, 2004=20
  > >=20
  > >Footnotes:=20
  > >=20
  > >1. "Inside Politics," Washington Times, 3/4/04=20
  > >http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040304-111104-3096r.htm=20
  > >=20
  > >2. "Bush Strains Facts Re: Kerry's Plan To Cut Intelligence Funding =
in '90's,"=20
  > >FactCheck.org, 3/15/04=20
  > >http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=3D153=20
  > >=20
  > >3. "Kerry Suggests Monthly Debates With President; Bush Campaign =
Rejects the=20
  > >Idea,"=20
  > >Washington Post, 3/13/04=20
  > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56468-2004Mar13.html =

  > >=20
  > >4. "McCain, Lieberman on 'Fox News Sunday'," Foxnews.com, 3/21/04=20
  > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114763,00.html=20
  > >=20
  > >5. "George Bush's Credibility Problem: The Truth Behind His New =
Attack Ad,"=20
  > >JohnKerry.com, 3/12/04=20
  > >http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/001352.html#001352=20
  > >=20
  > >6. See 2, above.=20
  > >=20
  > >7. "Cheney calls Kerry weak on defense," CNN.com, 3/18/04=20
  > >http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/cheney.reut/=20
  > >=20
  > >=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>While there may be some people who like =
Bush and=20
don't want him in for another four years there are many more that like =
him and=20
do want him for another four years. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So.....we'll see what =
happens</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PK</FONT></DIV>
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  <P>Unless Kerry is found with a dead girl or live boy he will be the =
next=20
  President. Even people that like Bush don't want him in for another 4 =
years.=20
  Every week is a new scandle and he&nbsp;is a free spending liberal =
that has no=20
  clue as to the meaning of the word "Budget". He is gone in January of =
05. </P>
  <P>Donovan J Arnold</P></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Paul Duffau <PDUFFAU@ADELPHIA.NET>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>,=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ask Bush to stand up to a =
real debate=20

  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:06:18 -0800=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Tom,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Why spoil the fun?&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm enjoying Kerry debate =

  himself.&nbsp;&nbsp;He's for $87 billion for Iraq then he's against=20
  it.&nbsp;&nbsp;He's for weapons systems that he was =
against.&nbsp;&nbsp;He's=20
  against tax cuts but he's for them.&nbsp;&nbsp;Please, please, please =
don't=20
  stop the Kerry v.Kerry show.&nbsp;&nbsp;It beats anything (except the =
NCAA's)=20
  on TV.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Paul Duffau=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;At 08:12 PM 3/22/04 +0000, you wrote:=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From Moveon.org -=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Several weeks ago, Tom Cole, a Republican =
Congressman in=20
  Oklahoma spoke to=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;supporters about the upcoming =
election.&nbsp;&nbsp;"If=20
  George Bush loses the election,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Osama bin Laden wins the election," he told them.=20
  (1)&nbsp;&nbsp;Later, he said that a=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;vote against Bush was like a vote for Adolf =
Hitler.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;These hateful and outrageous remarks &shy;- which =
neither=20
  the RNC nor the=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Bush/Cheney campaign will repudiate -- are =
representative=20
  of the negative=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;campaign being rolled out against John=20
  Kerry.&nbsp;&nbsp;Bush is now airing the first=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;negative ads of the season, which according to =
nonpartisan=20
  monitors (2)=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;seriously misled viewers about Kerry's record.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;In response, Senator Kerry is taking the high=20
  road.&nbsp;&nbsp;He's asked President Bush=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;to engage in a series of monthly debates on the =
country's=20
  future -- debates on=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;the real substance of the issues that face=20
  us.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's a simple proposal that=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;could elevate the campaign and truly educate the =
country=20
  about the positions=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;and records of each candidate.&nbsp;&nbsp;But =
President=20
  Bush's campaign brushed off the=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;suggestion with a snide remark. (3)=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Today, we're asking President Bush to stand up and =
face a=20
  real debate. You can=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;join our petition asking President Bush to debate =
Kerry on=20
  the future of our=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;country at:=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  =
&gt;http://www.moveonpac.org/debate/?id=3D2476-1614596-IIN5sQ7ftxxAuZNEtU=
ftUA=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;We'll send your comment on to the Bush/Cheney =
campaign and=20
  highlight this issue=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;in the media.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;The negative tenor of the campaign so far even has =

  Republicans worried.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Senator John McCain reprimanded the President for =
the=20
  negative campaign,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;saying, "Already, I'm hearing from people here =
that are=20
  saying, 'Look, I'm not=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;even going to vote if this is the way the =
campaign's going=20
  to be conducted.'"(4)=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Here's a summary of some of the attacks that have =
unfolded=20
  just in the first=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;two weeks.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;* In the first negative ad of the =
general=20
  election, President Bush claimed=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;that Kerry would raise taxes by $900=20
  billion.&nbsp;&nbsp;The figure turned out to be=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;entirely made up -- John Kerry promised to lower =
taxes on=20
  working families, not=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;raise them. (5)=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;* President Bush personally accused =
Kerry of=20
  attempting to "gut" the=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;intelligence budget in a "deeply irresponsible"=20
  move:&nbsp;&nbsp;Yet, as independent=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;media monitor factcheck.org pointed out, "the =
proposal=20
  Bush criticized would=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;have amounted to a reduction of roughly 1%. And =
senior=20
  congressional=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Republicans supported a cut two-thirds as large at =
the=20
  time." (6)=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;* Vice President Cheney told reporters =
that he=20
  believed Kerry does not have "an=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;impressive record for someone who aspires to be =
commander=20
  in chief in this time=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;of testing for our country." (7)=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;By any standard, the campaign is already one of =
the most=20
  negative in political=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;history.&nbsp;&nbsp;But by engaging in a =
forward-looking=20
  debate, President Bush could=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;turn things around.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's much easier to =
make=20
  misleading claims in TV ads than=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;to someone's face, and both Kerry and Bush would =
have=20
  hours -- not seconds --=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;to make their case to the public.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Join us in asking President Bush to take the high =
road now=20
  at:=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  =
&gt;http://www.moveonpac.org/debate/?id=3D2476-1614596-IIN5sQ7ftxxAuZNEtU=
ftUA=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sincerely,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;--Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Wes, and =
Zack=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;The MoveOn PAC Team=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;March 22nd, 2004=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Footnotes:=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;1. "Inside Politics," Washington Times, 3/4/04=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  &gt;http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040304-111104-3096r.htm=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;2. "Bush Strains Facts Re: Kerry's Plan To Cut=20
  Intelligence Funding in '90's,"=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;FactCheck.org, 3/15/04=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=3D153=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;3. "Kerry Suggests Monthly Debates With President; =
Bush=20
  Campaign Rejects the=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Idea,"=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Washington Post, 3/13/04=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  =
&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56468-2004Mar13.html=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;4. "McCain, Lieberman on 'Fox News Sunday'," =
Foxnews.com,=20
  3/21/04=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114763,00.html =

  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;5. "George Bush's Credibility Problem: The Truth =
Behind=20
  His New Attack Ad,"=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;JohnKerry.com, 3/12/04=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  &gt;http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/001352.html#001352=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;6. See 2, above.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;7. "Cheney calls Kerry weak on defense," CNN.com, =
3/18/04=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; =
&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/cheney.reut/=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;=20
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