[Vision2020] Fuel Cells
thansen@moscow.com
thansen@moscow.com
Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:52:01 GMT
To build on Wayne's example -
One acre of hemp produces as much pulp products (paper, etc.) as ten acres of
timber. Canada has legalized hemp for pulp products. You can order hemp paper
(along wth that distinctive "odor") from Canadian businesses.
The forrest industry here in the Nifty Fifty (as I like to refer to the US of
A) have lobbied against legalization of hemp for pulp production for obvious
reasons (pronounced "bottom line").
Tom Hansen
PS - If anybody is interested, I have the URL for purchasing Canadian Hemp
Paper products.
> David, Tom, Troy,
>
> I have one current example which has been in the news lately.
>
> First, however, I do not want to be labeled as anti-business. Some
> businesses are obviously less than honest as witnessed by the cascading
> accounting fraud, insider trading, and company looting scandals.
>
> However, many companies react to new competitive technology and the like by
> either trying to copy it or steal it by various methods or, most laudably
> and effectively, by trying to develop something even better.
>
> However, some try to prevent the widespread use of new technology and
> knowledge by widespread false misinformation and propaganda.
>
> The example: The proposed use of industrial grade hemp in ingestible
> products. Hemp has many great nutritional and medical properties e.g. high
> in omega-3 fatty acids. For the last few years many competing commodity
> groups have partially financed through various hysterical organizations
> campaigns against the use of industrial hemp in ingestible products, falsely
> claiming that industrial hemp has the same effect on humans as marijuana.
>
> I have not Googled this subject, but you are welcome to do so. I would not
> be surprised if you found hundreds of references verifying the above.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Troy Merrill" <troy1@moscow.com>
> To: "David Douglas" <ddouglas@pacsim.com>; "'Art Deco aka W. Fox'"
> <deco@moscow.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>; <thansen@moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fuel Cells
>
>
> > Tom,
> > I have no reason to trust you.
> >
> > I think it much more likely that if the 'gizmo' you describe was invented
> it
> > would be aggressively marketed, that free enterprise thing.
> >
> > Your appeal to 'common sense' is strangely reminiscent of the 'Dougsters'
> > appeal to the bible.
> >
> > Troy Merrill
> > on the palouse again
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <thansen@moscow.com>
> > To: "Troy Merrill" <troy1@moscow.com>; "David Douglas"
> > <ddouglas@pacsim.com>; "'Art Deco aka W. Fox'" <deco@moscow.com>;
> > <vision2020@moscow.com>; <thansen@moscow.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fuel Cells
> >
> >
> > > Trust me. If somebody developed a walkie-talkie, that had a range of
> > 100,000
> > > miles that operated on one AA battery with a shelf life of two million
> > years,
> > > there would be alot of companies wanting to buy out the patent and
> shelve
> > > the "gizmo" (i.e. AT&T, Sprint, almost any telephone company.
> > >
> > > It is common sense.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > > Perhaps you could supply a few examples of this common practice.
> > > >
> > > > Troy Merrill
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <thansen@moscow.com>
> > > > To: "David Douglas" <ddouglas@pacsim.com>; "'Art Deco aka W. Fox'"
> > > > <deco@moscow.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:00 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fuel Cells
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > THis is common practice, Mr. Douglas -
> > > > >
> > > > > Any time somebody creates a gizmo that adversely impacts a company's
> > > > bottom
> > > > > line, the company does all in its power to "shelve" that gizmo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Hansen
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wayne,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You write:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Many years ago a small company in southern California developed
> an
> > > > > > economical method of using solar generated electrical power to
> > produce
> > > > and
> > > > > > to store hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Guess what? The small company was bought by a petroleum
> consortium
> > and
> > > > > > their research disappeared from commercial consideration as did a
> > number
> > > > of
> > > > > > other promising alternative energy proposals."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have any specific data on this? The data might include:
> > > > > > small company name,
> > > > > > petroleum consortium name,
> > > > > > dates,
> > > > > > patents.
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you say may very well be true. But it is rife
> > > > > > with generalities, reminiscent of the old story of the 100 mpg
> > > > > > carburetor that has been kept from the market (for decades).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With specifics, this is an account of, at best, a truly wasteful
> > > > > > business practice. Without specifics, the account remains,
> > > > > > as yet, unverifiable--a part of the realm of
> > > > > > big-business-behaving-badly urban legends.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Douglas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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