[Vision2020] "Deficiencies in Government Schools" A Rebuttal

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I agree with you 100%, Rose.

The eight "deficiencies" listed at dougwils.com are mere implications of =
their author's arrogance.  As the self-appointed "God" of Christ Church, =
Logos School, and NSA, His-Whiney-ness (The Dougster) assumes full =
authority as to who is allowed, and who is denied, admission into his =
non-accredited schools.

I feel that a true measure of a school's "product" is what its alumni =
has accomplished on behalf of, and for, society and community.

I could list here each of the accomplishments of University of Idaho =
alumni, but it would be far too lengthy for this forum.  First let's see =
if His Whiney-ness is up for the challenge.

How about it, Your Whiney-ness?

Until then . . .=20

Take care,

Tom Hansen
Jus' another radically moderate left wing conservative product of =
Gubment Skools

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"When people sin, everybody has to pay."

- Pastor Douglas Wilson, Christ Church (June 7, 2002)

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of DonaldH675@aol.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:48 AM
  To: vision2020@moscow.com
  Subject: [Vision2020] "Deficiencies in Government Schools" A Rebuttal

  Visionaries:

Doug Wilson's June 7th homily on public school deficiencies =
<dougwils.com> does not contain fresh material. Nonetheless, it is a =
source of continual astonishment to me that Doug pontificates as though =
his criticism of public education were:=20

  1.    Original;

  2.    Knowledge based;

  3.    Economically disinterested; =20

  4.    Not founded on false dichotomies

  5.    Not based on the Logos model of exclusivity in student selection =

         =20

  While Doug provides an eight point laundry list of criticisms directed =
at public education I will limit myself to commenting (for the moment) =
on only the first one.  Doug says:

  =20

  1.    "Rootless experimentalism in teaching methodologies: for =
example, private schools that use phonics have one hundred percent =
literacy coming out of first grade. Whole language doesn't work well at =
all in teaching kids to read, but it does work in creating a class of =
kids with learning disabilities. These kids then need a special program. =
Which, incidentally, needs to be funded." =20

  =20

  Doug, as usual, does not cite any source to substantiate his claims =
nor does he indicate with what authority he writes. For those interested =
in learning more about the phonics versus whole language reading debate =
the following websites are useful: =20

  http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/Reading_Wars.html  and =
http://reading.indiana.edu/ieo/bibs/wholvsph.html

  =20

  Of course, Doug shaped the policy that prevents a child from attending =
Logos School if she/he did have significant learning or physical =
challenges. The following material is taken from the Logos Elementary =
School Student/ Parent Handbook, pg.27, 2002-2003 which I believe =
remains in effect.=20

  January 18, 1994=20

  Scope:  This policy applies to all students and teachers in all the =
classrooms of Logos School.
  Definitions:
              Severe Learning Disability:  Any condition in a potential =
student which would require a separate classroom, program, and staff in =
order to provide the educational services desired by the parents. E.g. =
Down=E2=80=99s syndrome, deaf/mute, blind, etc.

              Learning Disability:  Any condition in a potential student =
or student which does not require a separate classroom, program, and =
staff in order to provide the education services desired by the parents. =
 E.g. Hyperactivity, Attention Deficit Syndrome, dyslexia, etc.  For the =
purposes of this policy, it is not important whether or not the =
condition was accurately diagnosed and is a genuine learning disability.

  Guidelines:
  1.         Children with a severe learning disability will not be =
admitted to Logos due to the lack of adequate staff, funding, and =
facilities.
  2.         Children who have been diagnosed as having a learning =
disability will be required to meet the same academic standards as all =
the other children in their grade level.
  3.         Children who have been diagnosed as having a learning =
disability well be given as much individual instruction and =
encouragement as their classmates. "

  This loathsome statement not only reveals the stupendous ignorance and =
bigotry  [Downs Syndrome is a "learning disability"?????] of Wilson, =
Inc., it is antithetical to Christian conduct and theology.  History =
offers many examples of the rotten fruit resulting from policies of  =
intellectual and physical elitism - none of them worthy of imitation =
except, apparently, at Logos. And yes, once again, we see that (at least =
partially) it's about money.  Surely, in the twenty + years of Logos =
existence, it would have been possible to fund some programs for special =
education students, There was/is clearly no interest in doing so. =20

  I publicly rebuke the men who developed this policy and the men who =
sustain it today.  Shame on all of you.  And, in particular, shame on =
you Doug Wilson for presuming to lecture anyone on education, or come to =
think about it, preach on Christian behavior. =20

  Rose Huskey
  Once you lose integrity everything else is easy.

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D905203612-08062004>I agree with you 100%, =
Rose.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D905203612-08062004></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D905203612-08062004>The eight "deficiencies" listed at =

dougwils.com are mere implications of their author's arrogance.&nbsp; As =
the=20
self-appointed "God"&nbsp;of Christ Church, Logos School, and NSA,=20
His-Whiney-ness (The Dougster) assumes full authority as to who is =
allowed, and=20
who is denied, admission into his non-accredited schools.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I feel that a true measure of a =
school's=20
"product" is what its alumni has accomplished on behalf of, and for, =
society and=20
community.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I could list here each of the=20
accomplishments of University of Idaho alumni, but it would be far too =
lengthy=20
for this forum.&nbsp; First let's see if His Whiney-ness is up for the=20
challenge.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>How about it, Your =
Whiney-ness?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Until then . . . </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Take care,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Jus' another radically moderate =
left wing=20
conservative product of Gubment Skools</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><SPAN=20
class=3D905203612-08062004>
************************************************* "When=20
people sin, everybody has to pay." - Pastor Douglas Wilson, =
Christ Church=20
(June 7, =
2002) *************************************************=20

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solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
 <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
 face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message----- From:=20
 vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On =
Behalf=20
 Of DonaldH675@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:48=20
 AM To: vision2020@moscow.com Subject: [Vision2020] =

  "Deficiencies in Government Schools" A Rebuttal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" =

  PTSIZE=3D"12"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =

size=3D3>Visionaries:<o:p></o:p></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Doug =
Wilson's June=20
 7th&nbsp;homily on public school deficiencies &lt;dougwils.com&gt; =
does=20
 not&nbsp;contain fresh material.&nbsp;Nonetheless, it is a source of =
continual=20
 astonishment to me that Doug pontificates as though his criticism of =
public=20
 education were:&nbsp;
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT=20
 =
size=3D3>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Original;<o:p></o:p></SP=
AN>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT=20
 size=3D3>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Knowledge=20
 based;<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT=20
 size=3D3>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Economically=20
 disinterested;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Not=20
 founded on false dichotomies
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">5.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not=20
 based on the Logos model of exclusivity in student=20
 selection&nbsp;
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
 While Doug=20
 provides an eight point laundry list&nbsp;of&nbsp;criticisms directed =
at=20
 public education I will limit myself to commenting (for the moment) on =
only=20
 the first one.&nbsp; Doug says:
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT=20
 face=3DArial>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;"<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>Rootless =
experimentalism in=20
 teaching methodologies: for example, private schools that use phonics =
have one=20
 hundred percent literacy coming out of first grade. Whole language =
doesn't=20
 work well at all in teaching kids to read, but it does work in =
creating a=20
 class of kids with learning disabilities. These kids then need a =
special=20
 program. Which, incidentally, needs to be funded."&nbsp;=20
 </o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>Doug, =
as usual,=20
 does not cite any source to substantiate his claims nor does he =
indicate with=20
 what authority he writes. <FONT =

  face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>For those interested in learning =
more</FONT><FONT=20
  size=3D2> <FONT size=3D3>about&nbsp;the phonics versus whole language=20
  reading&nbsp;debate&nbsp;the following websites are =
useful:</FONT>&nbsp;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT face=3DArial><A=20
  title=3Dhttp://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/Reading_Wars.html=20
  href=3D"http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/Reading_Wars.html"><FONT=20
  size=3D3>http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/Reading_Wars.html</FONT></A><FONT =

size=3D3>&nbsp; and <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p><A=20
 title=3Dhttp://reading.indiana.edu/ieo/bibs/wholvsph.html=20
 href=3D"http://reading.indiana.edu/ieo/bibs/wholvsph.html">http://reading.indiana.edu/ieo/bibs/wholvsph.html</A></FO=
NT></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>Of course, Doug shaped =
the policy=20
 that&nbsp;prevents&nbsp;a child from attending&nbsp;Logos School if =
she/he did=20
 have significant learning or physical challenges.&nbsp;<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: =
'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: =
EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">The=20
 following material is taken from the Logos Elementary School =
<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: =
'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: =
EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Student/=20
 Parent Handbook, pg.27, 2002-2003 which I believe remains in effect.=20
 </o:p><o:p><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: =
'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: =
EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2><FONT=20
 size=3D2> </o:p><o:p><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">January 18,=20
 1994 </o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p><I=20
 style=3D"mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Scope:<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; This policy applies to all =
students=20
 and teachers in all the classrooms of<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;Logos =
School.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </o:p><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p><I=20
 style=3D"mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Definitions: <SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 Severe Learning Disability:&nbsp;=20
 Any condition in a potential student which would require a =
separate=20
 classroom, program, and staff in order to provide the educational =
services=20
 desired by the parents. E.g. Down=E2=80=99s=20
 syndrome, deaf/mute, blind, <I=20
 style=3D"mso-bidi-font-style: =
normal">etc. </o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Learning Disability:&nbsp;=20
 Any condition in a potential student or student which does not =
require=20
 a separate classroom, program, and staff in order to provide the =
education=20
 services desired by the parents.&nbsp;=20
 E.g. =
Hyperactivity,=20
 Attention Deficit Syndrome, dyslexia, etc.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; For the purposes of this =
policy, it is=20
 not important whether or not the condition was accurately diagnosed =
and is a=20
 genuine learning disability.</o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p><FONT=20
 size=3D2> <FONT=20
 size=3D2>Guidelines: 1. <SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 Children with a severe learning disability will not be admitted =
to=20
 Logos due to the lack of adequate staff, funding, and =
facilities. 2.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 Children who have been diagnosed as having a learning =
disability will=20
 be required to meet the same=20
 academic standards as all the other children in their grade=20
 level. 3.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 Children who have been diagnosed as =
having a=20
 learning disability well be given as much individual instruction and=20
 encouragement as their classmates. "
 This loathsome statement not only =
reveals the=20
 stupendous ignorance and bigotry &nbsp;[Downs Syndrome is a "learning=20
 disability"?????] of Wilson, Inc., it is antithetical to Christian =
conduct and=20
 theology.&nbsp; History offers many examples of the rotten fruit =
resulting=20
 from policies of&nbsp;&nbsp;intellectual and physical elitism - none =
of them=20
 worthy of imitation except, apparently, at Logos. And yes, =
once&nbsp;again, we=20
 see that (at least partially) it's&nbsp;about money.&nbsp; Surely, in=20
 the&nbsp;twenty + years of Logos existence, it would have been =
possible to=20
 fund some programs for special education students,&nbsp;<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There was/is clearly no interest in doing=20
 so.&nbsp; 
 I=20
 publicly rebuke the men who developed this policy and&nbsp;the men who =
sustain=20
 it today.&nbsp; Shame on all of you.&nbsp;&nbsp;And, in particular, =
shame on=20
 you Doug Wilson for presuming to lecture anyone on education, or come =
to think=20
 about it, preach on Christian behavior.&nbsp; 
 Rose=20
 Huskey </o:p></o:p>Once you lose integrity everything else =
is=20
 easy.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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