[Vision2020] One ethical question for Mr. Fox

[thansen@moscow.com]

This is obviously a re-posting of an earlier post.  Disregard it.

Tom Hansen
Not On The Palouse, Not Ever

> Forum Members,
> 
> First, I want to sincerely thank Mr. Fox for his kind
> and reasonable reply to my questions.  I agree with
> much of what he wrote, and I'm willing, for the sake
> of discussion, to concede some of the points where I
> would tend to disagree.
> 
> Second, I want to reiterate my desire to have a fair
> and reasonable discussion.  If at any point, my
> behaviour runs afoul of that desire, I request that
> the members of the forum call me to account.
> 
> After reviewing my original list of questions, I think
> Mr. Fox's reply includes implied answers to some but
> not all of them.  In the interest of simplicity and
> brevity, I'm willing to set aside my original list of
> questions. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to return to
> them later.  In the meantime, I will comply fully with
> Mr. Fox's ground rules and submit one question based
> on a message of his which I will cite below. Also, if
> Mr. Fox wishes to contest the fairness of how the
> debate has been framed, I'm willing to consider
> adjusting it to both of our liking.
> 
> Here is Mr. Fox's message, posted to the V2020 Forum
> on December 9, 2003:
> 
> < quote >
> 
> If the arrogant, insincere, con artistry answers below
> by cult leader Wilson to Nick Gier's questions are a
> sample of what's going to be served up as answers at
> the Town Sermon on Thursday, why would anyone outside
> of a cult member want to attend unless they are
> masochists who wish to be abased, belittled, and
> insulted?
> 
> Wayne A. Fox
> 
> < end quote >
> 
> Assertion #1:
> 
> The message above from Mr. Fox implies that he
> believes that arrogance, insincerity, deception (cf.
> "con artistry"), abasement of others, belittlement of
> others, and insulting others are unethical behaviours.
> 
> Assertion #2:
> 
> Mr. Fox's belief, as stated in Assertion #1, is a
> "knowledge claim."  That is, by implication, Mr. Fox
> claims to know that the list of behaviours is
> unethical.
> 
> Proposed concessions (to be made by Mr. Fox for the
> sake of discussion):
> 
> Insincerity, deception, abasement of others,
> belittlement of others, and insulting others are
> unethical behaviours.
> 
> Question:
> 
> How would Mr. Fox prove that arrogance is an unethical
> behaviour?
> 
> Edna Wilmington
> 
> 
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