[Vision2020] RE: R.L. Dabney, yeah he's our man.
Mike Lawyer
mike_l@moscow.com
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:20:20 -0800
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Dear Rose,
I'm happy that women can distinguish, but that must be a general statement
since you are again showing us that you seem unable to do it.
Of course your rhetorical questions deserve 'no' for answers. On the other
hand when I took a course on public speaking in college part of the
curriculum was to listen to several of Hitler's speeches. Apparently, though
he was a terrible dictator, he was also a great speech maker. Back in the
dark ages when I went to college, people could distinguish between things (I
also drove a VW bug for over 20 years).
I don't think listening to or enjoying the strengths of those speeches meant
the students were Nazis. If they didn't have the ability to distinguish
things they may have become Nazis (if they could have understood the
German). And that is precisely what often happens to college students. They
think the professor knows what he is talking about and they suck up
everything she says.
I think you write really well, but I don't think I like much of what you
say. I wouldn't let my child take a class on writing that you might give
because she is too young to make these distinctions, but I'm sure I could
greatly benefit such a course. I am able, to some extent, to make these
kinds of distinctions.
Perhaps your problems with Doug Wilson has more to do with your own
inability to distinguish than Doug's. Maybe you think that since you can't
enjoy a person's strong points without also embracing his weak ones that
everyone is that way. That is hard to believe, but it seems to be what you
are consistently saying.
If the only theologian that Mr. Wilson read and enjoyed was a racist, I
would wonder about his own position on the subject. But since his reading
and enjoyment covers a vast and wide area, I can see that he is probably
able to glean the good and ignore the bad. RL Dabney was a racist. No one is
arguing with you on this point. But he also had a lot of good things to say
on other subjects.
Have a great day!
Mike Lawyer
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From: DonaldH675@aol.com [mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:18 PM
To: mike_l@moscow.com
Subject: R.L. Dabney, yeah he's our man.
Mike says:
"On the other hand a man can admire the theology of a racist without
admiring
his racism. And the good thing is that men can be smart enough to make those
kinds of distinctions."
And luckily, so can women. Hitler was nice to his dog, do you think the
Human Society should have a special award acknowledging that kindly aspect
of his character?
Saddam Hussan took a paternalistic interest in his sons, shall we spring him
from jail to accept the Father of the Year award? Jim Jones was a
charismatic preacher. Do you think he should be nominated for Pastor of the
Year?
Come off it Mike. The notion that R.L. Dabney's racism had a firewall that
prevented it from contaminating his theology is nonsense. It is offensive
to inflate moments of kindness in heinous people in order to excuse their
horrific conduct. Many of Dabney's racist remarks were published long after
the surrender at Appomattox. We know he continued his racist rhetoric until
his death. Given that you may hold R.L. Dabney in high esteem, how do you
imagine that his theological writings have any more validity than his
secular scribblings? I can't remember the last time I heard anyone say, "X
is a really great (fellow, woman, thinker, doctor, pastor, friend, fill in
the blank) apart from his/her racism. But, then I don't attend New Saint
Andrews.
By the way, does the resignation of Steve Wilkins from his directorship in
the "Lost Our Slaves" organization also mean he also resigned his
membership?
Rose Huskey
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear =
Rose,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m happy that women can
distinguish, but that must be a general statement since you are again =
showing
us that you seem unable to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course your rhetorical questions
deserve ‘no’ for answers. On the other hand when I took a =
course on
public speaking in college part of the curriculum was to listen to =
several of
Hitler’s speeches. Apparently, though he was a terrible dictator, =
he was
also a great speech maker. Back in the dark ages when I went to college, =
people
could distinguish between things (I also drove a VW bug for over 20 =
years).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think listening to or
enjoying the strengths of those speeches meant the students were Nazis. =
If they
didn’t have the ability to distinguish things they may have become =
Nazis
(if they could have understood the German). And that is precisely what =
often
happens to college students. They think the professor knows what he is =
talking
about and they suck up everything she says. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you write really well, but =
I
don’t think I like much of what you say. I wouldn’t let my =
child
take a class on writing that you might give because she is too young to =
make
these distinctions, but I’m sure I could greatly benefit such a =
course. I
am able, to some extent, to make these kinds of =
distinctions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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inability
to distinguish than Doug’s. Maybe you think that since you =
can’t
enjoy a person’s strong points without also embracing his weak =
ones that
everyone is that way. That is hard to believe, but it seems to be what =
you are
consistently saying.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the only theologian that Mr. =
Wilson
read and enjoyed was a racist, I would wonder about his own position on =
the
subject. But since his reading and enjoyment covers a vast and wide =
area, I can
see that he is probably able to glean the good and ignore the bad. RL =
Dabney
was a racist. No one is arguing with you on this point. But he also had =
a lot
of good things to say on other subjects.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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DonaldH675@aol.com [mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 19, =
2004
4:18 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> mike_l@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> R.L. Dabney, =
yeah he's
our man.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Mike says:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>“On the other hand a man can admire the =
theology
of a racist without admiring<br>
his racism. And the good thing is that men can be smart enough to make =
those<br>
kinds of distinctions.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>And luckily, so can women. Hitler was =
nice to
his dog, do you think the Human Society should have a special award
acknowledging that kindly aspect of his =
character?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Saddam Hussan took a paternalistic interest =
in his
sons, shall we spring him from jail to accept the Father of the Year
award? Jim Jones was a charismatic preacher. Do you think he =
should
be nominated for Pastor of the Year? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Come off it Mike. The notion that R.L. =
Dabney’s
racism had a firewall that prevented it from contaminating his theology =
is
nonsense. It is offensive to inflate moments of kindness in =
heinous
people in order to excuse their horrific conduct. Many of =
Dabney’s
racist remarks were published long after the surrender at <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
w:st=3D"on">Appomattox</st1:City></st1:place>. We know he =
continued his
racist rhetoric until his death. Given that you may hold R.L. Dabney in =
high
esteem, how do you imagine that his theological writings have any more =
validity
than his secular scribblings? I can't remember the last time I =
heard
anyone say, “X is a really great (fellow, woman, thinker, doctor, =
pastor,
friend, fill in the blank) apart from his/her racism. But, then I
don’t attend New Saint Andrews.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>By the way, does the resignation of Steve =
Wilkins from
his directorship in the “Lost Our Slaves” organization also =
mean he
also resigned his membership? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Rose Huskey<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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