[Vision2020] Photos Added "Not On The Palouse" Did we miss something?

P.S. Stile psstile@hotmail.com
Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:05:10 -0800


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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">&gt;Saundra Lund wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">&gt;With respect to the police presence and security at the *SUB* during Wilson World's silly so-called "history" conference, you originally stated, "According to a Daily News article, the police were on hand to protect the protestors from conference attendees."&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman">First, it was not with respect to police presence and security <U>at the SUB</U> that I posted, but rather I was responding to Tom’s post that said, <EM>“Additional photos have been added to the "Not On The Palouse, Not Ever" website.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>They include: Conference photos taken from outside the SUB looking in as conference attenders were confronted with protesters - and were frozen in indecision about whether to go out or stay in the building.”</EM> <U>AND</U> the headline above the photos on his website which reads:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><I><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Protesting Douglas Wilson and the History Conference</FONT></SPAN></I><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Pictures of the protestors that Doug Wilson feared to the point of contracting police security.&nbsp; Book 'em, Dougster.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman">No reference in this headline to contracting police for the SUB and protestors/”peace marchers” are all one and the same to me.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&gt;I asked you to cite the article, and in support of those two statements, you offered the following quote from a Daily News article about the *Peace March*: "</SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:Street><st1:address><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Deakin Avenue</SPAN></B></st1:address></st1:Street><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> was blocked off to protect the safety of the marchers, and police were posted throughout the route. There was no resistance to the marchers, as was expected earlier this week."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">&lt;Translation: <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">&gt;Deakin Avenue was closed to motor vehicle traffic to protect the *Peace Marchers* from pedestrian vs motor vehicle collisions.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is standard procedure when permits have been requested &amp; approved for parades, marches, demonstrations, festivals, etc.. in public streets.&nbsp;&nbsp;Also as standard procedure, police were posted throughout the route.&nbsp;&nbsp;Ever been to the Mardi Gras parade, or any other large open-to-the-public gatherings (i.e., Farmer's Market, Latah County Fair, etc.)?&nbsp;&nbsp;In the interest of *public safety* (a novel concept for you, I'm sure, since it's for the benefit of both Believers and Unbelievers alike), police are virtually always present.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Secondly, agree or disagree with my interpretation, it is the inclusion of the last sentence that could lead one to conclude that there was an expectation that marchers would be meeting with resistance and were thus in need of police protection.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Was it intended that readers deduce that police were there simply because of standard procedure and public safety, or that police were there in case marchers met with this expected resistance? That “there was <EM><B>no resistance </B></EM><U>to the marchers</U> [protestors], <STRONG><I>as was expected earlier...”&nbsp;</I></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-style: italic">could </SPAN></STRONG>indicate that there was a concern about some <U>expected</U> resistance to the protestors from someone (who might that be? - !
 most likely, I guess, the disinterested man on the street that might suddenly become annoyed with protestors - and this just dawned on&nbsp;the police earlier in the week).&nbsp; But hey, don't get your knickers all in a knot - my comprehension being what it is...</FONT></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Sorry&nbsp;you found my rendering such a stretch but that's how I still read it&nbsp;and based on the perspective of the whole article, I believe that’s exactly the impression the writer intended.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Which was my point (at least I thought it was) – something about tainted perspectives – but evidently lost in this inane, overly zealous and wooden&nbsp;conversation.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">&gt;No where in TDN quote (nor in the rest of the article) you provided does it indicate that safety of the marchers from *conference attendees* was the reason for police presence at the *Peace March* (which is what the article was about, *not* the silly "history" conference).<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Except for the mention of expected resistance and one could assume it might be coming from those pesky conference supporters and attendees.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>You say this article was not about the “silly ‘history’ conference,” but here’s another quote,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><FONT size=3> “</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Organized by the UI group UNITY, the march was intended to create a voice of opposition to the featured speakers at the Credenda Agenda three-day history conference that started Thursday night at UI.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;L</SPAN>et me get this straight, we are supposed to understand that this article is about the “peace march” and NOT the “silly ‘history’ conference.” You imply that the march was some totally separate issue and that polic!
 e security at the SUB (a happenin place for this march)&nbsp; was somehow a separate issue as well.&nbsp; OK - have it your way, this is pretty much a burger king crowd anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">&gt;So, your proof is clearly still absent.&nbsp;&nbsp;Discrepancies, discrepancies . . . Got anything else?&nbsp;&nbsp;If not, then your original statements are false and we're awaiting a retraction. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Proof? I wasn’t trying to prove anything (although do you have proof of the allegations concerning hired security? – not that anyone cares, nor that it &nbsp;matters).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>As for a retraction, it's nice that you take all this so seriously (falling on your sword and all that)&nbsp;– but I'm glad you aren’t holding your breath.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">&gt;Are you trying to claim that Wilson World hired the police for the *Peace March* out of concern for the marchers?&nbsp; We know Wilson World was required to provide security for their so-called "history" conference, but I doubt that Wilson World also paid for the police presence at the Peace March. <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">You need to back up that allegation with proof, Bubba.</B></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso!
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Uh, that would be, “no” and I hope you’re kidding or I’m not the only one whose comprehension needs questioning.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Obviously <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>you’ve got passion about these issues.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">Bubba?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Another&nbsp;</SPAN>striking example of civil discourse from the peacemakers.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue">P.S. Stile<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&gt;Anxiously Awaiting (but not holding my breath), <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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