[Vision2020] Evangelical College of Wales - who would have thought?
Nate Wilson
natewilson@moscow.com
Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:13:20 -0800
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Can't resist. Such exaggerated provincialism is hard to ignore. European
phds are frequently offered on a research basis. As in no course work.
You can get a doctorate at Oxford, Cambridge, or the University of Wales
without taking a class. Residency requirements vary. Some require a
year, some a semester, some none at all. True, UI or WSU would require a
significant course load prior to dissertation, but then they're much
more prestigious institutions and we can't blame them for setting the
bar so high. Cheers.
NDW
P.S. An anecdote comes to mind. Ben Merkle (under discussion) conversing
with officials at the UI about his MA. The discussion? Would the UI
accept his credits from Oxford. They weren't sure that they would.
Luckily, as it turned out, somebody in the department had heard of
Oxford so it worked out in the end.
Art Deco wrote:
> Rose,
>
> Maybe I'm a bit slow but are you saying the Bennie is a liar and
> phony? That NSA therefore is also dishonest and phony?
>
> What is the world coming to?
>
> Wayne Fox
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> From: DonaldH675@aol.com <mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com>
> To: vision2020@moscow.com <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:52 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Evangelical College of Wales - who would
> have thought?
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> Dear Visionaries and Ben Merkle,
>
>
>
> I have to ask Ben, is your new website a way to divert attention
> away from your curious Ph.D. candidacy at the Evangelical College
> of Wales? Have you received the gift of bilocation that enables
> you to simultaneously study at a Welsh college and teach at NSA?
> Or, do you “attend” the American version of the college? You know
> the one, staffed by two American ministers who apparently
> constitute the U.S. *faculty*? I enjoyed reading their claim: “If
> you can't leave the USA you can still study with ETCW! The Ph.D.
> is by thesis only, requiring only one short visit per year.”
> http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Frame1/USA.htm “ Silly me, I imagined that
> if Whitefield Audio Tape College was good enough for George
> Grant's alleged *Ph.D.,* it would have been more than ample for you.
>
>
>
> By the way Ben, I have emailed the University of Wales asking for
> clarification of their *collaboration* with the Evangelical
> College of Wales. As you know the ECOW advertisement states “MPhil
> / PhD degrees are offered in collaboration with the University of
> Wales. The MPhil and PhD are postgraduate awards achieved
> following the production of a dissertation and its successful
> defence in an oral examination.”
> http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Courses/MPhil-PhD/MPHPHD.htm Strangely, I
> was unable to find any Ph.D. level courses at ECOW. I urge
> interested 2020 readers to visit the links on the site for a
> fuller understanding of the college's program. I was also unable
> to find a description of accreditation credentials - maybe they
> are not a usual feature of schools in Wales.
>
>
>
> I look forward to sharing any response I receive from the
> University of Wales with Vision 2020 readers. You could, perhaps,
> pass the information I gain along to the parents and students of
> NSA. So nice for them to see their faculty climbing up the
> academic ladder, don't you think? Do you think it presumptuous of
> me Ben, to suggest that you finish your Master's program locally
> before you seek an international degree?
>
> “Benjamin Merkle holds a B.S. in Education (Secondary
> Education-Chemistry, with a minor in History) from the University
> of Idaho (1996). He is currently pursuing a Master's degree in
> English literature at the University of Idaho and has begun work
> on a Ph.D. in theology at the Evangelical Theological College of
> Wales, UK. He also studied theology at Greyfriars Hall [another
> Wilson Inc. business] from 1998 to 2000.”
> http://www.newstandrews.org/community/faculty/merkle.html
>
> Now that's an academic vita we can all envy. Well, maybe not.
> But it certainly provides the explanation for your
> bitterness and bile (don't forget envy is one of the seven deadly
> sins, Ben) toward actual scholars.
>
> Rose Huskey
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Can't resist. Such exaggerated provincialism is hard to ignore.
European phds are frequently offered on a research basis. As in no
course work. You can get a doctorate at Oxford, Cambridge, or the
University of Wales without taking a class. Residency requirements
vary. Some require a year, some a semester, some none at all. True, UI
or WSU would require a significant course load prior to dissertation,
but then they're much more prestigious institutions and we can't blame
them for setting the bar so high. Cheers.<br>
<br>
NDW<br>
<br>
P.S. An anecdote comes to mind. Ben Merkle (under discussion)
conversing with officials at the UI about his MA. The discussion? Would
the UI accept his credits from Oxford. They weren't sure that they
would. Luckily, as it turned out, somebody in the department had heard
of Oxford so it worked out in the end. <br>
<br>
<br>
Art Deco wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial Narrow">Maybe I'm a bit slow but are you
saying the Bennie is a liar and phony? That NSA therefore is
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<div><font face="Arial Narrow">What is the world coming to?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial Narrow">Wayne Fox</font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"><font
face="Times New Roman">Dear Visionaries and Ben Merkle,<o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font
face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">I have to ask Ben, is your new
website a way to divert attention away from your curious Ph.D.
candidacy at the Evangelical College of Wales?<span style=""> </span>Have
you received the gift of bilocation that enables you to simultaneously
study at a Welsh college and teach at NSA? Or, do you “attend” the
American version of the college? You know the one, staffed by two
American ministers who apparently constitute the U.S. *faculty*? I
enjoyed reading their claim: “<span style="color: black;">If you can't
leave the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span
style="color: black;">USA</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span
style="color: black;"> you can still study with ETCW! </span>The
Ph.D. is by thesis only, requiring only one short visit per year.” </font><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><a
title="http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Frame1/USA.htm"
href="http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Frame1/USA.htm">http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Frame1/USA.htm</a></span><font
size="3"> “<span style=""> </span>Silly me, I imagined that if
Whitefield Audio Tape College was good enough for George Grant's
alleged *Ph.D.,* it would have been more than ample for you.<span
style=""> </span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font
face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font
face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">By the way Ben, I have emailed
the <st1:place><st1:PlaceType>University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName>Wales</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
asking for clarification of their *collaboration* with the Evangelical
College of Wales. As you know the ECOW advertisement states “MPhil /
PhD degrees are offered in collaboration with the <st1:place><st1:PlaceType>University</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName>Wales</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>. The MPhil and PhD
are postgraduate awards achieved following the production of a
dissertation and its successful defence in an oral examination.” <span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><a
title="http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Courses/MPhil-PhD/MPHPHD.htm"
href="http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Courses/MPhil-PhD/MPHPHD.htm">http://www.etcw.ac.uk/Courses/MPhil-PhD/MPHPHD.htm</a><font
size="3"> </font></span>Strangely, I was unable to find any Ph.D.
level courses at ECOW. I urge interested 2020 readers to visit the
links on the site for a fuller understanding of the college's program.
I was also unable to find a description of accreditation credentials -
maybe they are not a usual feature of schools in Wales. </font><font
size="3"><span style=""> </span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font
face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">I look forward to sharing any
response I receive from the University of Wales with Vision 2020
readers. <span style=""> </span>You could, perhaps, pass the
information I gain along to the parents and students of NSA.<span
style=""> </span>So nice for them to see their faculty climbing up
the academic ladder, don't you think?<span style=""> </span>Do you
think it presumptuous of me Ben, to suggest that you finish your
Master's program locally before you seek an international degree?<span
style=""> </span><span style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></font></font></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">“Benjamin
Merkle holds a B.S. in Education (Secondary Education-Chemistry, with a
minor in History) from the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">University</span></st1:PlaceType><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">
of </span><st1:PlaceName><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Idaho</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">
(1996). He is currently pursuing a Master's degree in English
literature at the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">University</span></st1:PlaceType><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">
of </span><st1:PlaceName><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Idaho</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">
and has begun work on a Ph.D. in theology at the Evangelical
Theological College of Wales, UK. He also studied theology at
Greyfriars Hall [another Wilson Inc. business] from 1998 to 2000</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">.”
<span style=""> </span><a
title="http://www.newstandrews.org/community/faculty/merkle.html"
href="http://www.newstandrews.org/community/faculty/merkle.html">http://www.newstandrews.org/community/faculty/merkle.html</a></span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Now
that's an academic vita we can all envy.<span style=""> </span>Well,
maybe not.<span style=""> </span>But it certainly provides the
explanation for your bitterness and bile (don't forget envy is one of
the seven deadly sins, Ben) toward actual scholars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Rose
Huskey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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