[Vision2020] V2020 Problems

[Tom Hansen]

Thank you so very very much, Ms. Jones.  Nothing says loving like a well
deserved ranking on the Canon Press (pronounced "Wilson's Whinery" as
translated from the Book of Doug [on sale for $19.95]) Hate List.  Now I can
sleep tonight, just knowing that those who praise His Whineyness hate me.

Please, Ms. Jones, keep those cards and letters coming.

Tom "49er" Hansen
Your local Intolerista Liberal Elitista Quasi-Secularista Nutjob loose in
the Palouse

We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are
dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
exist very nicely in the same box. 

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of L.Z. Jones
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:13 AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] V2020 Problems

Mr. London,
Isn't it more accurate and honest to say that First Step's customers
subsidize V2020? No Customers - No First Step - No Vision 2020.

I'm wondering if there is a real community need for V2020. In 2004, over
67% of the "contributions" were submitted by 15 people. Of those emails,
17% came from Tom Hansen and 10% from Wayne Fox. Between the two of them
they submitted over 1,660 emails to V2020 in 2004 - and that doesn't
include December posts. If you have MSExcel and less than 30 minutes you
can cut, paste, and sort the emails and see the stats for yourself. Less
time than it takes to delete the daily, irrelevant ramblings.

You may believe V2020 is unmoderated. I disagree. It looks to me like
Hansen and Fox are the moderators. With their band of merry friends
they've managed to silence a community of people and take what was once
a tool and turn it into nothing more than a weapon. Isn't it obvious why
the majority of subscribers silently lurk? They sort out the few posts
beneficial to the community - delete the rest - and avoid the "tolerant
and inclusive" commentary served up at V2020.

First Step has continued to subsidize V2020 despite injury to their
paying customers. That's a business choice. First Step is fully aware of
what's being said on V2020 and they've willingly overlooked it. It's the
height of irony and foolishness to imagine that First Step is immune to
V2020's poison.

Lucy Jones
Canon Press  <--- A First Step customer



Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:30:30 -0800
From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Problems 

Have you ever noticed that everyone whines and complains about their
Internet provider, no matter what company they choose?  Too slow, too
many ads, not enough space, etc etc And while I don't want to inhibit
anyone's heartfelt complaints, I would like to remind everyone that
without FSR there is no Vision2020. Simple equation... No FSR equals No
V2020. FSR donates the service and maintenance that keeps V2020 a free,
unmoderated list.  FSR deserves our gratitude. I use FSR.  I am happy
with their service.  I assume others are not. But it is the height of
irony to use V2020 to attack FSR. BL

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