[Vision2020] Pot Calling Kettle AGAIN: Church "Oversight",

Another Nutjob thansen at moscow.com
Fri Aug 13 08:38:44 PDT 2004




Ditto.




> Well.  Now we have confirmation that there have been more than our three 
ELECTED
> commissioners voting on "certain" county issues.  This is a sad, sad day for
> Latah County citizens. 
> 
> For those who are interested (hit DELETE if you aren't), I can't say as I'm
> surprised that Wilson's comment (http://www.dougwils.com/) was made with 
respect
> to the possibility of the County extending health insurance to domestic
> partners:
> "Doug Wilson reported that Paul Kimmell, in his role as County Commissioner, 
is
> open to oversight from the elders on certain issues, such as the current
> domestic-partner issue." 
> 
> I remember when this came up back in 1999 (when Kimmell was a new commissioner
> and an unknown Kirker), and I remember how thrilled I was that Latah County 
was
> examining the financial feasibility of doing the right thing!  Most 
regrettably,
> financial concerns ostensibly kept the county from accomplishing what I'd 
hoped.
> 
> What was Kimmell's, or perhaps more correctly the Christ Church elders',
> position on the issue?  Well, I happen to have some information handy from 
some
> research I did last year, but in light of the absolutely stunning revelation
> that Kimmell's commissioner votes were subject to Christ Church elders'
> supervision, there are really no surprises:
> 
> - "I'm not trying to discriminate against anyone, but proceeding in this
> direction continues to erode our moral turpitude," said Paul Kimmell, the
> solitary Republican commissioner.  Kimmell said the policy change might bring
> the county into legal jeopardy by seeming to allow same-sex marriages, which 
are
> illegal."  (LMT; 4/7/1999; Latah County studies providing benefits for its
> employees' domestic partners)
> 
> (But allowing UNELECTED Christ Church elders to supervise a commissioner 
doesn't
> erode moral turpitude???  Please give me the choice:  I'll choose health care
> coverage for domestic partners and families every single time!)
> 
> - "Kimmell also said the commissioners received a petition Monday with 200
> signatures opposing benefits for domestic partners."  (LMT; 4/13/1999; "Latah
> County studies ways to cover domestic partners")
> 
> (Gee . . . there's another of those petitions with a small number of County
> voters.  Anyone wonder where that came from?  For those who don't remember,
> that's about 100 signatures *less* than those on a petition against the old 
Card
> Barn in the Palouse Empire Mall mounted by another Kirker back in the early
> 1990s.  I'm no math wizard, but it looks like the so-called "Moral Majority" 
has
> undergone some serious shrinkage in the past decade.  Are they still 
the "Moral
> Majority??? )
> 
> - "Paul Kimmell, the lone Republican commissioner, said the county was not
> denying rights in disallowing domestic partner coverage.  "There is also a
> section in the Pledge of Allegiance that says 'one nation, under God' and I 
ask
> you if you know what that plan means as far as family is concerned.""  (LMT;
> 4/28/1999; "Extending coverage may prove too costly")
> 
> (That comment alone is enough to make me totally support removing the "under
> God" part, which wasn't added until ***1954*** -- talk about revisionism run
> amok!)
> 
> - "Since that time, Republican Commissioner Paul Kimmell had declared 
including
> domestic partners immoral and said it would cause higher insurance premiums."
> (LMT; 7/13/1999; Decision expected Wednesday on Latah insurance coverage;
> Domestic partners not mentioned in options for employee benefits, but one 
choice
> does include coverage for any one relative or friend)
> 
> (Yeah, right . . . allowing health care coverage to domestic partners is
> "immoral," but allowing UNELECTED church elders to call the shots of an 
elected
> official isn't?!?!?)
> 
> NO ONE has any excuse for being surprised at Christ Church's position on 
health
> coverage for domestic partnerships . . . or on feminism . . . or on human 
rights
> .. . . or on freedom of choice . . . or on slavery . . . or on public 
education,
> etc., etc., etc.  These are all topics that have been discussed on V2020 and 
in
> local newspapers and even on the news.
> 
> However, I think we have *every* reason to be surprised and monumentally
> disappointed that Christ Church elders were -- and still are --- calling the
> shots on the voting by one commissioner.  None of their names were on the
> ballot, so they certainly weren't elected by our community.
> 
> IMHO, this is a betrayal of public trust of huge proportions.
> 
> And, I can't help but wonder what other "certain issues" the unelected Christ
> Church elders voted on, and continue to vote on???
> 
> As an aside, for those who are interested, Latah County Prosecutor Bill 
Thompson
> came up with a draft definition of domestic partnership.  The following comes
> from a 4/7/1999 Lewiston Morning Tribune article entitled _Latah County 
studies
> providing benefits for its employees' domestic partners_:
> "According to the revised definition drafted by County Attorney Bill Thompson,
> domestic partners must be at least 18 years old, mentally competent, domestic
> partners for at least six months, financially interdependent and the sole
> partner of the employee. . . . To reduce the risk of lawsuits, employees must
> state that they have not had a marriage ceremony or common-law marriage with
> their partner, Thompson said.  Employees are not asked if their relationship 
is
> sexual.  "We want to stay away from whether they have a sexual relationship or
> not. That is none of our business," he said."
> 
> It is interesting to note, IMHO, that the definition does NOT address the 
sexual
> orientation of the domestic partners.  Even the County Prosecutor admits that
> it's none of our business, so other than for homophobic reasons, it's
> unfathomable to me why the Christ Church elders would think their noses belong
> in the private business of others.
> 
> Unless, of course, they really DO have a political agenda.
> 
> 
> Just Another Intolerista "Nutjob" Loose on the Palouse,
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> -Edmund Burke
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On
> Behalf Of bill london
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:57 PM
> To: Vision2020
> Subject: [Vision2020] church oversight
> 
> Doug Wilson verified on August 12, in a posting to his blog website (at 
> http://dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=398 ), 
> that the Christ Church minutes of April 8, 1999 did include this message 
> to the church leadership:  "Doug Wilson reported that Paul Kimmell, in 
> his role as County Commissioner, is open to oversight from the elders on 
> certain issues, such as the current domestic-partner issue."
> The date of this message is interesting, since Paul Kimmell was 
> appointed by Governor Kempthorne to his commissioner position in March 
> of 1999, just a month before this report from Wilson that Kimmell will 
> take his marching orders from the Christ Church leadership.
> But wait, wasn't it Doug Wilson who repeatedly said that neither he nor 
> his church are political?
> And wasn't it Paul Kimmell who became a commissioner to serve the people 
> of Latah County, not just the members of his Church?
> BL
> 
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