[Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC

Paul Duffau pduffau@adelphia.net
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:13:03 -0700


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Mr. Hansen,

In John Kerry's testimony before Congress in 1971, he stated, "I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government..."  As I said, it is his words.  At this time, John Kerry was a member of the Naval Reserves (Active). Fact.

Twice now I have indicated that there is some evidence, both documentary and eyewitness based, that placed him at a meeting of the VVAW (I should have specified this in the first two posts, but assumed [my mistake!] that you were reasonably conversant of the issues of the day).  The plan of Scott Camil to assassinate senators in favor of the war was overwhelmingly rejected by the VVAW leadership.  Was Kerry there?  Did he know of the plan?  Does a Naval officer on Active Reserve status have an obligation to report such a threat or not if he is aware of it?

Links to Kansas City meeting:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/01/kerry_cant_recall_being_at_71_parley/
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040327/NEWS/403270369/1134
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5007&en=3fb3db1485d5aace&ex=1398225600&partner=USERLAND

Now, I have established as a fact (assuming that he told the truth) that Kerry met with the North Vietnamese.  Am I still ignorant?  Or is ignorance a charge to be brought when facts are inconveniently arranged?

Again, respectfully,

Paul Duffau 

At 08:45 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
>Again (and for the final time), do you have ANY evidence of John Kerry meeting with North Vietnamese officials, other than his statement that he went to Paris on his honeymoon?
>  
>This is getting ignorant now.  This is a waste of my time.
>  
>Forget the question.  If you want to believe that John Kerry plotted with the North Vietnamese to assassinate public officials, go right ahead.
>  
>Later,
>  
>Tom Hansen
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Paul Duffau [mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net] 
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:28 PM 
>>To: thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com 
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
>>
>>Mr. Hansen,
>>
>>First, I must apologize.  I thought I had been careful to state that he had apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of public officials was discussed.  In no way did I mean to imply that John Kerry actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.
>>
>>Now, to your questions.  I went to John Kerry's website and located his record of service.  It indicates that John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970.  On July 1, 1972 he was transferred to Standby Reserves - Inactive.  On Feb 16, 1978, he was released from the Naval Reserves.  So far, we seem to be in agreement, though I wasn't trying to be disagreeable but to get the facts correct.  http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf
>>
>>Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war while still a member of the military reserve and also met a representative of North Vietnam while travelling in France during his honeymoon (since he has indicated that he was there, I accept that as a fact.)  This actually lends some credence that he would be willing to meet with foreign officials that want him to win the current election since it would simply repeat past behavior.
>>
>>  As I indicated before, the record on the meeting in Kansas City is iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and a several personal accounts.  Whether Kerry was aware of Scott Camil's proposition is an open question.  That Camil was working for the Kerry campaign in Florida is indisputable since the campaign has since accepted his resignation.  The campaign also tried to get a Mr. John Musgrove to change his story about Kerry's attendance.  These events also occurred prior to the end of his active reserve status. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=1398225600&en=3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
>>
>>My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was merely to get an accurate timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap in paperwork.  I believe that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones in dispute.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>Paul Duffau
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Two things, Mr. Duffau. 
>>>   
>>>Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG John Kerry's Release from Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was ordered to inactive reserve. (<http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf).  A thorough search of records on display at his website and numerous searches via <http://www.google.com>www.google.com resulted in disclosure of one document subsequent to his release from active duty on 2 January 1970. 
>>>   
>>><http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf>http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf 
>>>A Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective 1 July 1972, dated 1 March 1972. 
>>>   
>>>This tells me that he was on active reserve status until he fulfilled his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then transferred into the inactive reserve, 
>>>   
>>>Could you please share with us ANY evidence that you may have come across reflecting Kerry's military service subsequent to 1 July 1972, especially any evidence linking him to assassinations of public officials? 
>>>   
>>>I anxiously await your response. 
>>>   
>>>Tom Hansen 
>>>Not On The Palouse, Not Ever  
>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Paul Duffau 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 PM 
>>>To: vision2020@moscow.com 
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
>>>
>>>Joan,
>>>
>>>You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated for his heroism.  You are also correct that on his return he protested that same war.  It is also a fact that he did so a a member of the Reserves.  He also met with North Vietnamese in Paris while in the Reserves.  And apparently was at a meeting in which assassinations of  public officials was discussed, while still in the Reserves.  (This last is in question - his separation papers direct him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge.  A separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves.  A question for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with discharge procedures:  When discharged, do you serve for a period of time in the active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive status?)
>>>
>>>In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue.  His behavior in the service was honorable and praiseworthy.  Much of the criticism that I've seen recently deals with the period after his release from the Navy.  
>>>
>>>Paul Duffau
>>>
>>>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote: 
>>>>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for heroism in Vietnam.  Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam War.  That's it.  Sum total. 
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Mr. Hansen,<br>
<br>
In John Kerry's testimony before Congress in 1971, he stated, &quot;I
have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace
talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the
Provisional Revolutionary Government...&quot;&nbsp; As I said, it is his
words.&nbsp; At this time, John Kerry was a member of the Naval Reserves
(Active). Fact.<br>
<br>
Twice now I have indicated that there is some evidence, both documentary
and eyewitness based, that placed him at a meeting of the VVAW (I should
have specified this in the first two posts, but assumed [my mistake!]
that you were reasonably conversant of the issues of the day).&nbsp; The
plan of Scott Camil to assassinate senators in favor of the war was
overwhelmingly rejected by the VVAW leadership.&nbsp; Was Kerry
there?&nbsp; Did he know of the plan?&nbsp; Does a Naval officer on
Active Reserve status have an obligation to report such a threat or not
if he is aware of it?<br>
<br>
Links to Kansas City meeting:<br>
<a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/01/kerry_cant_recall_being_at_71_parley/" eudora="autourl">http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/01/kerry_cant_recall_being_at_71_parley/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040327/NEWS/403270369/1134" eudora="autourl">http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040327/NEWS/403270369/1134</a><br>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?pagewanted=2&amp;ei=5007&amp;en=3fb3db1485d5aace&amp;ex=1398225600&amp;partner=USERLAND" eudora="autourl">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?pagewanted=2&amp;ei=5007&amp;en=3fb3db1485d5aace&amp;ex=1398225600&amp;partner=</a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?pagewanted=2&amp;ei=5007&amp;en=3fb3db1485d5aace&amp;ex=1398225600&amp;partner=USERLAND" eudora="autourl">USERLAND<br>
<br>
</a>Now, I have established as a fact (assuming that he told the truth)
that Kerry met with the North Vietnamese.&nbsp; Am I still
ignorant?&nbsp; Or is ignorance a charge to be brought when facts are
inconveniently arranged?<br>
<br>
Again, respectfully,<br>
<br>
Paul Duffau <br>
<br>
At 08:45 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite cite>Again (and for
the final time), do you have ANY evidence of John Kerry meeting with
North Vietnamese officials, other than his statement that he went to
Paris on his honeymoon?</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">This is getting ignorant now.&nbsp; This is
a waste of my time.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">Forget the question.&nbsp; If you want to
believe that John Kerry plotted with the North Vietnamese to assassinate
public officials, go right ahead.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">Later,</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">Tom
Hansen</font><blockquote><font face="tahoma" size=2>
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<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> Paul Duffau
[<a href="mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net" eudora="autourl">mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net</a>]
<dd>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:28 PM
<dd>To:</b> thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
<dd>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd>Mr. Hansen,<br>
<br>

<dd>First, I must apologize.&nbsp; I thought I had been careful to state
that he had apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of
public officials was discussed.&nbsp; In no way did I mean to imply that
John Kerry actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.<br>
<br>

<dd>Now, to your questions.&nbsp; I went to John Kerry's website and
located his record of service.&nbsp; It indicates that John Kerry was
transferred to the Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970.&nbsp; On July 1, 1972
he was transferred to Standby Reserves - Inactive.&nbsp; On Feb 16, 1978,
he was released from the Naval Reserves.&nbsp; So far, we seem to be in
agreement, though I wasn't trying to be disagreeable but to get the facts
correct.&nbsp;
<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf" eudora="autourl">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf</a><br>
<br>

<dd>Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war
while still a member of the military reserve and also met a
representative of North Vietnam while travelling in France during his
honeymoon (since he has indicated that he was there, I accept that as a
fact.)&nbsp; This actually lends some credence that he would be willing
to meet with foreign officials that want him to win the current election
since it would simply repeat past behavior.<br>
<br>

<dd>&nbsp;As I indicated before, the record on the meeting in Kansas City
is iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and a several
personal accounts.&nbsp; Whether Kerry was aware of Scott Camil's
proposition is an open question.&nbsp; That Camil was working for the
Kerry campaign in Florida is indisputable since the campaign has since
accepted his resignation.&nbsp; The campaign also tried to get a Mr. John
Musgrove to change his story about Kerry's attendance.&nbsp; These events
also occurred prior to the end of his active reserve status.
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=1398225600&amp;en=3fb3db1485d5aace&amp;ei=5007&amp;partner=USERLAND" eudora="autourl">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=1398225600&amp;en=3fb3db1485d5aace&amp;ei=5007&amp;partner=USERLAND</a><br>
<br>

<dd>My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was merely to get an
accurate timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap in
paperwork.&nbsp; I believe that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones in
dispute.<br>
<br>

<dd>Respectfully,<br>
<br>

<dd>Paul Duffau<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you
wrote:<font size=2 color="#0000FF"><blockquote type=cite cite>
<dd>Two things, Mr. Duffau.</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<font size=2 color="#0000FF">
<dd>Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG John Kerry's Release from
Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was ordered to inactive reserve.
(<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf</a>).&nbsp;
A thorough search of records on display at his website and numerous
searches via <a href="http://www.google.com">www.google.com</a> resulted
in disclosure of one document subsequent to his release from active duty
on 2 January 1970.</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<font size=2 color="#0000FF">
<dd><a href="http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf">http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf</a></font>
<dd>A Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective 1
July 1972, dated 1 March 1972.
<dd>&nbsp;<font size=2 color="#0000FF">
<dd>This tells me that he was on active reserve status until he fulfilled
his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then transferred into the
inactive reserve,</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<font size=2 color="#0000FF">
<dd>Could you please share with us ANY evidence that you may have come
across reflecting Kerry's military service subsequent to 1 July 1972,
especially any evidence linking him to assassinations of public
officials?</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<font size=2 color="#0000FF">
<dd>I anxiously await your response.</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<font size=2 color="#0000FF">
<dd>Tom Hansen</font>
<dd>Not On The Palouse, Not Ever <font face="tahoma" size=2>
<dd>-----Original Message----- 
<dd>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
[<a href="mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com%5DOn" eudora="autourl">mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On</a>
Behalf Of Paul Duffau 
<dd>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 PM 
<dd>To: vision2020@moscow.com 
<dd>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd>Joan,<br>
<br>

<dd>You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated for his
heroism.&nbsp; You are also correct that on his return he protested that
same war.&nbsp; It is also a fact that he did so a a member of the
Reserves.&nbsp; He also met with North Vietnamese in Paris while in the
Reserves.&nbsp; And apparently was at a meeting in which assassinations
of&nbsp; public officials was discussed, while still in the
Reserves.&nbsp; (This last is in question - his separation papers direct
him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge.&nbsp; A
separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves.&nbsp; A
question for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with
discharge procedures:&nbsp; When discharged, do you serve for a period of
time in the active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive 
status?)<br>
<br>

<dd>In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue.&nbsp; His
behavior in the service was honorable and praiseworthy.&nbsp; Much of the
criticism that I've seen recently deals with the period after his release
from the Navy.&nbsp; <br>
<br>

<dd>Paul Duffau<br>
<br>

<dd>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>
<dd>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for heroism in
Vietnam.&nbsp; Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam War.&nbsp;
That's it.&nbsp; Sum total. 
<dd>&nbsp; <hr>

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