[Vision2020] Student accomplishments
JSullivan
jsullivan@moscow.com
Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:08:43 -0700
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My first sentence didn't make much sense at all. But I think you get the =
drift. *smile*
Janesta
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From: JSullivan=20
To: Art Deco aka W. Fox ; Vision 2020=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Student accomplishments
I can't help but wonder what "tactics" the Sami, the U of I student's =
attorney, as well as the prosecuting attorney will use in Boise in the =
coming weeks?=20
How many of you have ever sat in on a high profile case before? It is =
a learning experience on many levels. How many of us go to local trails =
of note? I like to stay as far away from those kinds of things as =
possible!
Back longer ago than I care to date myself, my mom was the Secretary =
to the Administrator of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles. She =
thought it would be good for my brother and I go "experience" the =
Charles Manson trial. We went many times. Yes, a learning experience =
indeed.=20
Mr. Fox, it is part of the game of winning in a trail. Those =
"accidentally on purpose" slips of the tongue.
Janesta
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From: Art Deco aka W. Fox=20
To: Vision 2020=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Student accomplishments
Jeremy, Troy, et al,
How soon we forget.
I didn't see anything in the news article about the UI team cheating =
to win. The Logos team repeatedly and knowingly violated the Rules of =
Evidence which are in place to insure a fair trial. Such violations are =
cheating -- dishonesty.
If you would like details again, I'll repost them.
As for Drew Simon, reread his posts. Do you not find the authorship =
somewhat familiar? Did you not finally find in his last post, an =
admission that rules were intentionally broken? Isn't that dishonesty? =
Do you not find it curious that he has not responded to questions asked =
of him after his last post. Isn't it curious that he has not responded =
to questions first posed by Rose Huskey, then Saundra Lund? Isn't =
entering such a debate with us slow-witted old codgers good exercise for =
a student aspiring to be an attorney?
If Moscow High had won the Mock Trial using the same tactics as =
Logos, my criticism would have been the same, if not more shrill -- I =
would have been supporting such tactics with my tax dollar. If you have =
spent any time observing the court system, you would see the gross =
amount of cheating and dishonesty that occurs there. I would hope that =
all participants in the Mock Trail contest, including those that allege =
that they are Christians, would eschew such unethical tactics.
Jeremy, isn't the closing of your post a bit indiscriminate though =
possibly unintentionally revealing?
Wayne
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
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From: Jeremy Downey=20
To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:05 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Student accomplishments
Does anyone else find it ironic that the same folks who are all =
hot and bothered at Bill Strand for making a (complimentary) joke about =
the accomplishments of some UI chemical engineering students were not so =
long ago frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to denounce the =
accomplishments of some Logos high school students in the state mock =
trial competition, even going so far as to ridicule and demean a student =
from the opposing team when he came to their defense? Doesn't this seem =
to indicate a certain lack of perspective?
Hot, sexy regards,
Jeremy Downey
Ad ignem tractus, ab igne consumptus, ex igne renatus.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My first sentence didn't make =
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at all. But I think you get the drift. *smile*</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djsullivan@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:jsullivan@moscow.com">JSullivan</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddeco@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco aka W. Fox</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision=20
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 20, 2004 =
2:59=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Student=20
accomplishments</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can't help but wonder what =
"tactics" the=20
Sami, the U of I student's attorney, as well as the prosecuting=20
attorney will use in Boise in the coming weeks? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How many of you have ever sat in on a =
high=20
profile case before? It is a learning experience on many levels. =
How many=20
of us go to local trails of note? I like to stay as far away from =
those kinds=20
of things as possible!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Back longer ago than I care to date =
myself, my=20
mom was the Secretary to the Administrator of the U.S. Attorney's =
Office in=20
Los Angeles. She thought it would be good for my brother and I go =
"experience"=20
the Charles Manson trial. We went many times. Yes, a learning =
experience=20
indeed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mr. Fox, it is part of the game of =
winning in a=20
trail. Those "accidentally on purpose" slips of the =
tongue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddeco@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco =
aka W.=20
Fox</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 20, 2004 =
2:17=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Student=20
accomplishments</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Jeremy, Troy, et al,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>How soon we forget.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>I didn't see anything in the news article about =
the UI=20
team cheating to win. The Logos team repeatedly and knowingly =
violated=20
the Rules of Evidence which are in place to insure a fair =
trial. Such=20
violations are cheating -- dishonesty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>If you would like details again, I'll repost=20
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>As for Drew Simon, reread his posts. Do =
you not find=20
the authorship somewhat familiar? Did you not finally find in =
his last=20
post, an admission that rules were intentionally broken? Isn't =
that=20
dishonesty? Do you not find it curious that he has not =
responded to=20
questions asked of him after his last post. Isn't it curious =
that he=20
has not responded to questions first posed by Rose Huskey, then =
Saundra=20
Lund? Isn't entering such a debate with us slow-witted old =
codgers=20
good exercise for a student aspiring to be an attorney?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>If Moscow High had won the Mock Trial using the =
same=20
tactics as Logos, my criticism would have been the same, if not more =
shrill=20
-- I would have been supporting such tactics with my tax =
dollar. If=20
you have spent any time observing the court system, you would see =
the gross=20
amount of cheating and dishonesty that occurs there. I would =
hope that=20
all participants in the Mock Trail contest, including those that =
allege that=20
they are Christians, would eschew such unethical =
tactics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Jeremy, isn't the closing of your post a =
bit=20
indiscriminate though possibly unintentionally =
revealing?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV><FONT size=3D4>
<DIV><BR>Wayne</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Ddunadhaigh@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dunadhaigh@hotmail.com">Jeremy Downey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 20, =
2004 12:05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
Student=20
accomplishments</DIV>
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<DIV>
<P>Does anyone else find it ironic that the same folks who are all =
hot and=20
bothered at Bill Strand for making a (complimentary) joke about =
the=20
accomplishments of some UI chemical engineering students were =
not so=20
long ago frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to denounce the=20
accomplishments of some Logos high school students in the state =
mock trial=20
competition, even going so far as to ridicule and demean a student =
from=20
the opposing team when he came to their defense? Doesn't =
this seem=20
to indicate a certain lack of perspective?</P>
<P><BR><BR>Hot, sexy regards,</P>
<P>Jeremy Downey</P>
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