[Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold

Dale Courtney dmcourtn@moscow.com
Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:50:40 -0700


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Donovan,=20

Is this one of your "I'll lie if I don't like what you're saying" posts =
(http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-September/004424.html). =


I just can't tell when you are being truthful or deceptive per your =
ethics you stated above.=20

Oh, wait! If you answer me, how will I know whether that's a "lie to =
cover" or really the truth.=20

Guess we'll just never know.=20

Dale

PS -- yours lying ethic is archived.=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Donovan Arnold=20
  To: thansen@moscow.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:57
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold


  No, Tom.

  They changed it to the age of 23 if you are still in college, not 21 =
anymore. I had mine for 3 years longer because they messed up on my =
birth date at Fairchild Airforce Base. My dad tried to change it back to =
the right year but it was too much of a hassle. They said I was 3 years =
younger, and that if we disagreed with my birth date to go  appeal it to =
DC. It was not worth the hassle so we didn't bother.

  To bad you would not accept the wager. But that is because you know =
you are full of it.

  In case you didn't know, you can scan an ID and block out the last 5 =
digits of your SS number and make it in B&W and a different size. You =
can also put the words "COPY" across the top of it. So I don't buy your =
excuses. I also stated I would take any other reasonable evidence they =
served in the military.=20

  Donovan J Arnold



  >From: "Tom Hansen"=20
  >Reply-To:=20
  >To: "Donovan Arnold" ,=20
  >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold=20
  >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:10:05 -0700=20
  >=20
  >Donovan Arnold stated:=20
  >=20
  >"Regardless of what you may think about the "almighty" Military ID, I =
had=20
  >one for 26 years."=20
  >=20
  >You earlier stated that you were never on active duty, that you grew =
up=20
  >around active duty members throughout your childhood as a dependent =
(or as=20
  >they were later referred to "family members"). Am I to assume that =
you were=20
  >a dependent of your parents until you were 26? Military dependents =
are=20
  >required to surrender their ID cards upon reaching 18 years of age =
(or in=20
  >some extreme cases, 21). Or are you simply "bending" the truth?=20
  >=20
  >Mr. Arnold went on to say:=20
  >=20
  >"The information on the military ID is public knowledge."=20
  >=20
  >Since when is my social security number considered "public =
knowledge"?=20
  >=20
  >And yet he states:=20
  >=20
  >"What is stupid is to allow the card in actual size and in full color =
to be=20
  >duplicated."=20
  >=20
  >Like (as you suggested) scanning?=20
  >=20
  >And the dumb get dumber:=20
  >=20
  >"Especially when the only thing it gets you is 25 cents off a bag of =
cereal=20
  >at the Commissary."=20
  >=20
  >It is called identify theft, Mr. Arnold. And the bad guys do it for =
alot=20
  >more than access to the commissary.=20
  >=20
  >As far as continuing this "ad nauseum" childishness, I will simply =
terminate=20
  >it at this point. Every time I mention the wager, you rspond with =
absolute=20
  >rhetoric and standards of proof that exceed common sense.=20
  >=20
  >Take care, and don't forget to return your dependent ID card (it is=20
  >governemnt property, you know) . . .=20
  >=20
  >Tom Hansen=20
  >Moscow, Idaho=20
  >=20


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<DIV>Donovan, </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Is this one of your "I'll lie if I don't like what you're saying" =
posts (<A=20
href=3D"http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-September/004424.=
html">http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-September/004424.ht=
ml</A>).=20
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I just can't tell when you are being truthful or&nbsp;deceptive per =
your=20
ethics you stated above. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Oh, wait! If you answer me, how will I know whether that's a "lie =
to cover"=20
or really the truth. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Guess we'll just never know. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Dale</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>PS -- yours lying ethic is archived. </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddonovanarnold@hotmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dthansen@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 19, =
2003=20
  12:57</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] RE: =
Open Wager=20
  to Mr. Arnold</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P>No, Tom.</P>
  <P>They changed it to the age of 23 if you are still in college, not =
21=20
  anymore. I had mine for 3 years longer because they messed up on my =
birth date=20
  at Fairchild Airforce Base. My dad tried to change it back to the =
right year=20
  but it was too much of a hassle. They said I was 3 years younger, and =
that if=20
  we disagreed with my birth date to go&nbsp; appeal it to DC. It was =
not worth=20
  the hassle so we didn't bother.</P></DIV>
  <P>To bad you would not accept the wager. But that is because you know =
you are=20
  full of it.</P>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <P>In case you didn't know, you can scan an ID and block out the =
last&nbsp;5=20
  digits of your SS number and make it in B&amp;W and a different size. =
You can=20
  also put the words "COPY" across the top of it. So I don't buy your =
excuses. I=20
  also stated I would take any other reasonable evidence they served in =
the=20
  military. </P>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "Donovan Arnold" <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>,=20
  <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:10:05 -0700=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Donovan Arnold stated:=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;"Regardless of what you may think about the "almighty" =
Military=20
  ID, I had=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;one for 26 years."=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;You earlier stated that you were never on active duty, =
that you=20
  grew up=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;around active duty members throughout your childhood as =
a=20
  dependent (or as=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;they were later referred to "family members"). Am I to =
assume=20
  that you were=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;a dependent of your parents until you were 26? Military =

  dependents are=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;required to surrender their ID cards upon reaching 18 =
years of=20
  age (or in=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;some extreme cases, 21). Or are you simply "bending" =
the truth?=20

  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Mr. Arnold went on to say:=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;"The information on the military ID is public =
knowledge."=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Since when is my social security number considered =
"public=20
  knowledge"?=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;And yet he states:=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;"What is stupid is to allow the card in actual size and =
in full=20
  color to be=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;duplicated."=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Like (as you suggested) scanning?=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;And the dumb get dumber:=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;"Especially when the only thing it gets you is 25 cents =
off a=20
  bag of cereal=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;at the Commissary."=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;It is called identify theft, Mr. Arnold. And the bad =
guys do it=20
  for alot=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;more than access to the commissary.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;As far as continuing this "ad nauseum" childishness, I =
will=20
  simply terminate=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;it at this point. Every time I mention the wager, you =
rspond=20
  with absolute=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;rhetoric and standards of proof that exceed common =
sense.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Take care, and don't forget to return your dependent ID =
card=20
  (it is=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;governemnt property, you know) . . .=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Tom Hansen=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Moscow, Idaho=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
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