[Vision2020] What the slaves had to say
Luke
lukenieuwsma@softhome.net
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Dear Visionaries:
Here's something for your consideration of the actual condition of =
slaves during the Civil War.
"I was born in 1851, de [sic] sixteenth of November, on de =
Occoneechee plantation, owned by Marse John Norwood and his good wife =
Annie. And when I say "good" I mean just dat, for no better people ever =
lived den my Marse John and Mis' Annie.
One thing dat made our marse and mistis so good was de way dey =
brought up us niggers [sic]. We was called to de Big House and taught de =
Bible and dey was Bible readin's every day. We as taught to be good men =
amd women and to be honest. Marse never sold any of us niggers. But when =
his boys and girls got married he would give dem some of us to take with =
dem.
Marse never allowed us to be whipped. One time we had a white =
overseer and he whipped a field hand called Sam Norwood, till de blood =
comes. He beat him so bad dat de other niggers had to take him down to =
de river and wash de blood off. When Marse come and found dat out he =
sent dat white man off and wouldn't let him stay on de plantation =
overnight. He just wouldn' have him round de place no longer. He made =
Uncle Whitted de overseer' cause he was one of de oldest slaves he had =
good nigger.
When any of us niggers got sick, Mis Aniie would come down to de =
cabin to see us. She brung de best wine, good chicken and chicken soup =
and everything else she had at de Big House dat she thought we like, and =
she done everything she could to get us well again.
Marse John never worked us after dark. We worked in de day and had =
de nights to play games and have singin's. We never cookd on a Sunday. =
Everything we ate on dat day was cooked on Saturday. Dey wasn't light in =
de cook stoves or fireplaces in de Big House or cabins neither. =
Everybody rested on Sunday. De tables was set and de food put out to =
eat, but nobody cut any wood and dey wasn't no other work done on dat =
day. Mammy Beckie was my grandmammy and she toted de keys to de pantry =
and smokehouse, and her word went with Marse John and Miss Annie.
Marse John was a great lawyer and when he went to Pittsboro and =
other places to practice, if he was to stay all night, Mis' Annie had my =
mammy sleep right in bed with her, so she wouldn't be afraid.
Marse and Mistis had three sons and three daughters. De oldest son =
was not able to go to war. He had studied so hard dat it had affected =
his mind, so he stayed at home. De second son, named Albert, went to war =
and was brought back dead with a bullet hole throught his head. Dat =
liked to have killed Marse John and Mis' Annie. Dey was three girls, =
named, Mis' Maggie, Mis' Ella Bella, and Mis' Rebena....
After de War was over Marse John let Pappy have eighteen acrese of =
land for de use of two of his boys for a year. My pappy made a good crop =
of corn, wheat, and other food on his land."
Lindsey Faucette
Interviewed by Daisey Whaley
Age when interviewed: 86
An excerpt from:
The Slave Narratives, A Folk History of Slavery in the United States =
from Interviews with Former Slaves (Typewritten Records Prepared by the =
Federal Writers' Project, Washington, D.C., 1941)
Available online at www.ancestry.com
Sincerely and respectfully,
Luke Nieuwsma
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Melynda Huskey=20
To: vision2020=20
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Aaaaaa! Slavery!
Doug Wilson has furnished us with many evidences that he is acquainted =
with black people (not that we asked). Unfortunately, he could not =
furnish us with any evidence that he didn't write and publish a pamphlet =
which reflects fondly on the good old days of the antebellum South, =
Christian civilization at its most refined pitch in American history. =
You know, when a white man could purchase, brand, whip, rape, breed, and =
profit from the sale of his own children, while serving as an elder in a =
Presbyterian church.
What possible purpose could such a tract serve *except* to pander to =
the pervasive racism of our region? I await a similar pamphlet =
defending the high value and respect the Nazis had for motherhood.
Melynda Huskey
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:55 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Aaaaaa! Slavery!
Visionaries,
>Below please find a response to this morning's article on slavery.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Douglas Wilson
>
>
>Your "Slavery Revisted" article in this last weekend edition =
unfortunately=20
>requires some response. First, the commendation: the article was =
objective=20
>in that it contained statements (from me, at any rate) that =
accurately=20
>stated my position, and that denied the ludicrous charges of racism =
>against me. As a "did too/did not" article, the thing was fair =
enough.
>
>But at the same time, the impression left by the mere fact of the =
article=20
>is still troubling. Your average reader could be left thinking that =
whether
>Wilson is a racist or not is a matter of legitimately disputed =
opinion. He=20
>somehow thinks he is not, but the Southern Poverty Law Center =
(SPLC) takes=20
>a different view. By the way, I prefer to call that organization =
MDPB=20
>(Morris Dees' Piggy Bank). But let's take this out of the "did =
too/did=20
>not" realm. I would like to mention a few things that show this is =
not a=20
>matter of opinion at all. The question before us is actually a =
matter of=20
>fact, which can be readily determined by a number of items, many =
of which=20
>were supplied to this newspaper before the article ran.
>
>The article did not mention the booklet we published another =
booklet=20
>alongside Southern Slavery: As It Was, a booklet entitled The =
Biblical=20
>Offense of Racism. The article did not mention that Christ Church =
is a=20
>multi-racial congregation. The article did not mention that we have =
>multi-racial families in our congregation. The article did not =
mention=20
>that Steve Wilkin's congregation is integrated. The article did not =
>mention the public printed debate that I had with a white =
separatist, in=20
>which I argued that Moses married a black woman (Num. 12:1), and =
that the=20
>church in Antioch had a mixed race leadership (Acts 13:1). The =
article did=20
>not mention our published attacks on racism in our magazine =
Credenda=20
>Agenda. The article did not mention that one of our elders (part of =
our=20
>governing board) lives in the Ivory Coast, and that our church =
funded and=20
>built a community center for the Bakwe people there. The article =
did not=20
>mention that our elders have determined that 10 percent of all the =
money=20
>raised for our church's building fund is committed to capital =
expenditures=20
>overseas, most likely among the Bakwe. The community center there =
was=20
>funded by this means. The article did not mention that our church =
has a=20
>ministerial training hall, and that one of my ministerial students =
is a=20
>black man who came here to train for the ministry.
>
>I grew up in a segregated town in the South, and when the Supreme =
Court=20
>struck down the separate but equal nonsense, I attended school in a =
>racially charged situation, and my sister was one of one or two =
other=20
>white children in her entire elementary school. This was because we =
>refused to participate in the "white flight" to private education. =
There=20
>are many good arguments for private education, but racism is not =
one of=20
>them. It is a point of honor that our household had nothing to do =
with=20
>such racism when it would have been easy to give way to it. I honor =
my=20
>father (Jim Wilson) particularly for how he taught us as children =
during=20
>that time.
>
>So, for the record (again!), racism is a sin. Because I am not an =
ethical=20
>relativist, it is not an "it all depends" kind of sin. God hates =
it, and=20
>will judge it along with all other sins on the last day. Because =
God=20
>hates it, so do I. Racial animosity and the more (superficially) =
benign=20
>racial vainglory are both loathsome. God created from one blood =
every=20
>nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth (Acts 17:26). =
This=20
>means that we are all cousins, all of us created in the image of =
God. I=20
>say "created" as a convinced creationist, and as one who wants =
nothing to=20
>do with the racialist implications of the theory of evolution. If=20
>evolution is true (which it isn't), and if evolutionary progress is =
a=20
>coherent concept (which it isn't either), then how is it possible =
to=20
>escape the implication that one race of men can progress faster =
(depending=20
>on environment) than another race? That is what Darwin taught, but =
if you=20
>are looking for an institution that teaches both premise one and =
premise=20
>two, you will have to look at places like the University of Idaho, =
and not=20
>at any educational institution that I have anything to do with.
>
>In short, I am willing to place our record on race relations (and =
our=20
>lived-out racial mix) against any local so-called progressive =
group. If=20
>you really
>want an example of Little Norway you will not be able to come to =
Christ=20
>Church for it. Why not look instead at the candidates for city =
council
>endorsed by the Moscow Civic Association? I am afraid that there =
are many=20
>who would be cheered up considerably if I were a racist, and they =
would=20
>really, really, really like it to be true. But alas, it is not. And =
so my=20
>counsel to them is to go yell up a different rain spout.
>
>Anyone who is interested is certainly welcome to register for this =
year's=20
>history conference, and registration forms are available from =
Christ=20
>Church. As you are filling it out, you may notice that there is no =
little=20
>box to check for your racial or ethnic background. You see, we =
don't care.=20
>Can the same be said by those registering for classes at the UI?
>
>Oh, and by the way, in response to a column of a few weeks back, we =
are=20
>not interested in burning people at the stake in Friendship Square. =
Sheesh.
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dear Visionaries:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> Here's something for your =
consideration=20
of the actual condition of slaves during the Civil War.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> </FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book">"I was born in 1851, de [sic] sixteenth of =
November,=20
on de Occoneechee plantation, owned by Marse John Norwood and his good =
wife=20
Annie. And when I say "good" I mean just dat, for no better people ever =
lived=20
den my Marse John and Mis' Annie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> One thing =
dat made our=20
marse and mistis so good was de way dey brought up us niggers [sic]. We =
was=20
called to de Big House and taught de Bible and dey was Bible readin's =
every day.=20
We as taught to be good men amd women and to be honest. Marse never sold =
any of=20
us niggers. But when his boys and girls got married he would give dem =
some of us=20
to take with dem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> Marse never =
allowed us=20
to be whipped. One time we had a white overseer and he whipped a field =
hand=20
called Sam Norwood, till de blood comes. He beat him so bad dat de other =
niggers=20
had to take him down to de river and wash de blood off. When Marse come =
and=20
found dat out he sent dat white man off and wouldn't let him stay on de=20
plantation overnight. He just wouldn' have him round de place no longer. =
He made=20
Uncle Whitted de overseer' cause he was one of de oldest slaves he had =
good=20
nigger.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> When any of =
us niggers=20
got sick, Mis Aniie would come down to de cabin to see us. She brung de =
best=20
wine, good chicken and chicken soup and everything else she had at de =
Big House=20
dat she thought we like, and she done everything she could to get us =
well=20
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> Marse John =
never=20
worked us after dark. We worked in de day and had de nights to play =
games and=20
have singin's. We never cookd on a Sunday. Everything we ate on dat =
day was=20
cooked on Saturday. Dey wasn't light in de cook stoves or fireplaces in =
de Big=20
House or cabins neither. Everybody rested on Sunday. De tables was set =
and de=20
food put out to eat, but nobody cut any wood and dey wasn't no other =
work done=20
on dat day. Mammy Beckie was my grandmammy and she toted de keys to de =
pantry=20
and smokehouse, and her word went with Marse John and Miss =
Annie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> Marse John =
was a great=20
lawyer and when he went to Pittsboro and other places to practice, if he =
was to=20
stay all night, Mis' Annie had my mammy sleep right in bed with her, so =
she=20
wouldn't be afraid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> Marse and =
Mistis had=20
three sons and three daughters. De oldest son was not able to go to war. =
He had=20
studied so hard dat it had affected his mind, so he stayed at home. De =
second=20
son, named Albert, went to war and was brought back dead with a bullet =
hole=20
throught his head. Dat liked to have killed Marse John and Mis' Annie. =
Dey was=20
three girls, named, Mis' Maggie, Mis' Ella Bella, and Mis'=20
Rebena....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Book"> After de War =
was over=20
Marse John let Pappy have eighteen acrese of land for de use of two of =
his boys=20
for a year. My pappy made a good crop of corn, wheat, and other food on =
his=20
land."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Lindsey Faucette</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Interviewed by Daisey Whaley</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Age when interviewed: 86</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>An excerpt from:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><EM>The Slave Narratives, A Folk History of =
Slavery in the=20
United States from Interviews with Former Slaves </EM>(Typewritten =
Records=20
Prepared by the Federal Writers' Project, Washington, D.C., =
1941)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Available online at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.ancestry.com">www.ancestry.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Sincerely and respectfully,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Luke Nieuwsma</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmghuskey@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:mghuskey@hotmail.com">Melynda=20
Huskey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 11, =
2003 4:41=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Aaaaaa!=20
Slavery!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Doug Wilson has furnished us with many evidences that he is =
acquainted=20
with black people (not that we asked). Unfortunately, he could not =
furnish us=20
with any evidence that he didn't write and publish a pamphlet which =
reflects=20
fondly on the good old days of the antebellum South, Christian =
civilization at=20
its most refined pitch in American history. You=20
know, when a white man could purchase, brand, whip, =
rape,=20
breed, and profit from the sale of his own children, while serving as =
an elder=20
in a Presbyterian church.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What possible purpose could such a tract serve *except* to pander =
to the=20
pervasive racism of our region? I await a similar pamphlet =
defending the=20
high value and respect the Nazis had for motherhood.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Melynda Huskey</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
Douglas</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 11, =
2003 12:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
vision2020@moscow.com</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Aaaaaa! =
Slavery!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Visionaries,<BR><BR>>Below please find a =
response to=20
this morning's article on=20
slavery.<BR>><BR>>Cordially,<BR>><BR>>Douglas=20
Wilson<BR>><BR>><BR>>Your "Slavery Revisted" article in =
this last=20
weekend edition unfortunately <BR>>requires some response. First, =
the=20
commendation: the article was objective <BR>>in that it contained =
statements (from me, at any rate) that accurately <BR>>stated my=20
position, and that denied the ludicrous charges of racism =
<BR>>against=20
me. As a "did too/did not" article, the thing was fair=20
enough.<BR>><BR>>But at the same time, the impression left by =
the mere=20
fact of the article <BR>>is still troubling. Your average reader =
could be=20
left thinking that whether<BR>>Wilson is a racist or not is a =
matter of=20
legitimately disputed opinion. He <BR>>somehow thinks he is not, =
but the=20
Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) takes <BR>>a different view. =
By the=20
way, I prefer to call that organization MDPB <BR>>(Morris Dees' =
Piggy=20
Bank). But let's take this out of the "did too/did <BR>>not" =
realm. I=20
would like to mention a few things that show this is not a =
<BR>>matter of=20
opinion at all. The question before us is actually a matter of =
<BR>>fact,=20
which can be readily determined by a number of items, many of =
which=20
<BR>>were supplied to this newspaper before the article=20
ran.<BR>><BR>>The article did not mention the booklet we =
published=20
another booklet <BR>>alongside Southern Slavery: As It Was, a =
booklet=20
entitled The Biblical <BR>>Offense of Racism. The article did not =
mention=20
that Christ Church is a <BR>>multi-racial congregation. The =
article did=20
not mention that we have <BR>>multi-racial families in our =
congregation.=20
The article did not mention <BR>>that Steve Wilkin's congregation =
is=20
integrated. The article did not <BR>>mention the public printed =
debate=20
that I had with a white separatist, in <BR>>which I argued that =
Moses=20
married a black woman (Num. 12:1), and that the <BR>>church in =
Antioch=20
had a mixed race leadership (Acts 13:1). The article did <BR>>not =
mention=20
our published attacks on racism in our magazine Credenda =
<BR>>Agenda. The=20
article did not mention that one of our elders (part of our=20
<BR>>governing board) lives in the Ivory Coast, and that our =
church=20
funded and <BR>>built a community center for the Bakwe people =
there. The=20
article did not <BR>>mention that our elders have determined that =
10=20
percent of all the money <BR>>raised for our church's building =
fund is=20
committed to capital expenditures <BR>>overseas, most likely =
among the=20
Bakwe. The community center there was <BR>>funded by this means. =
The=20
article did not mention that our church has a <BR>>ministerial =
training=20
hall, and that one of my ministerial students is a <BR>>black man =
who=20
came here to train for the ministry.<BR>><BR>>I grew up in a=20
segregated town in the South, and when the Supreme Court =
<BR>>struck down=20
the separate but equal nonsense, I attended school in a =
<BR>>racially=20
charged situation, and my sister was one of one or two other =
<BR>>white=20
children in her entire elementary school. This was because we=20
<BR>>refused to participate in the "white flight" to private =
education.=20
There <BR>>are many good arguments for private education, but =
racism is=20
not one of <BR>>them. It is a point of honor that our household =
had=20
nothing to do with <BR>>such racism when it would have been easy =
to give=20
way to it. I honor my <BR>>father (Jim Wilson) particularly for =
how he=20
taught us as children during <BR>>that time.<BR>><BR>>So, =
for the=20
record (again!), racism is a sin. Because I am not an ethical=20
<BR>>relativist, it is not an "it all depends" kind of sin. God =
hates it,=20
and <BR>>will judge it along with all other sins on the =
last day.=20
Because God <BR>>hates it, so do I. Racial animosity and the more =
(superficially) benign <BR>>racial vainglory are both loathsome. =
God=20
created from one blood every <BR>>nation of men to dwell on all =
the face=20
of the earth (Acts 17:26). This <BR>>means that we are all =
cousins, all=20
of us created in the image of God. I <BR>>say "created" as a =
convinced=20
creationist, and as one who wants nothing to <BR>>do with the =
racialist=20
implications of the theory of evolution. If <BR>>evolution is =
true (which=20
it isn't), and if evolutionary progress is a <BR>>coherent =
concept (which=20
it isn't either), then how is it possible to <BR>>escape the =
implication=20
that one race of men can progress faster (depending <BR>>on =
environment)=20
than another race? That is what Darwin taught, but if you =
<BR>>are=20
looking for an institution that teaches both premise one and premise =
<BR>>two, you will have to look at places like the University of =
Idaho,=20
and not <BR>>at any educational institution that I have anything =
to do=20
with.<BR>><BR>>In short, I am willing to place our record on =
race=20
relations (and our <BR>>lived-out racial mix) against any local =
so-called=20
progressive group. If <BR>>you really<BR>>want an example of =
Little=20
Norway you will not be able to come to Christ <BR>>Church for it. =
Why not=20
look instead at the candidates for city council<BR>>endorsed by =
the=20
Moscow Civic Association? I am afraid that there are many =
<BR>>who would=20
be cheered up considerably if I were a racist, and they would=20
<BR>>really, really, really like it to be true. But alas, it is =
not. And=20
so my <BR>>counsel to them is to go yell up a different rain=20
spout.<BR>><BR>>Anyone who is interested is certainly welcome =
to=20
register for this year's <BR>>history conference, and =
registration forms=20
are available from Christ <BR>>Church. As you are filling it out, =
you may=20
notice that there is no little <BR>>box to check for your racial =
or=20
ethnic background. You see, we don't care. <BR>>Can the same be =
said by=20
those registering for classes at the UI?<BR>><BR>>Oh, and by =
the way,=20
in response to a column of a few weeks back, we are <BR>>not =
interested=20
in burning people at the stake in Friendship Square.=20
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Sheesh.<BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR>______________________________________=
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