[Vision2020] Aaaaaa! Slavery!

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Melynda, if Doug Wilson is so intent on pandering to racism, how do you
explain the abundance of his writings against racism?  And how do you
explain the attendance of various races at Christ Church, at NSA, at =
Logos,
and at the annual history conference?

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Jack

__________________________________

Jack Van Deventer

jack@moscowUSA.com <mailto:jack@wsu.edu>=20

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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] =
On
Behalf Of Melynda Huskey
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 4:42 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Aaaaaa! Slavery!

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Doug Wilson has furnished us with many evidences that he is acquainted =
with
black people (not that we asked). Unfortunately, he could not furnish us
with any evidence that he didn't write and publish a pamphlet which =
reflects
fondly on the good old days of the antebellum South, Christian =
civilization
at its most refined pitch in American history.  You know, when a white =
man
could purchase, brand, whip, rape, breed, and profit from the sale of =
his
own children, while serving as an elder in a Presbyterian church.

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What possible purpose could such a tract serve *except* to pander to the
pervasive racism of our region?  I await a similar pamphlet defending =
the
high value and respect the Nazis had for motherhood.

=20

Melynda Huskey

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----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas

Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:55 PM

To: vision2020@moscow.com

Subject: [Vision2020] Aaaaaa! Slavery!

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Visionaries,

>Below please find a response to this morning's article on slavery.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Douglas Wilson
>
>
>Your "Slavery Revisted" article in this last weekend edition =
unfortunately=20
>requires some response. First, the commendation: the article was =
objective=20
>in that it contained statements (from me, at any rate) that accurately=20
>stated my position, and that denied the ludicrous charges of racism=20
>against me. As a "did too/did not" article, the thing was fair enough.
>
>But at the same time, the impression left by the mere fact of the =
article=20
>is still troubling. Your average reader could be left thinking that =
whether
>Wilson is a racist or not is a matter of legitimately disputed opinion. =
He=20
>somehow thinks he is not, but the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) =
takes=20
>a different view. By the way, I prefer to call that organization MDPB=20
>(Morris Dees' Piggy Bank). But let's take this out of the "did too/did=20
>not" realm. I would like to mention a few things that show this is not =
a=20
>matter of opinion at all. The question before us is actually a matter =
of=20
>fact, which can be readily  determined by a number of items, many of =
which=20
>were supplied to this newspaper before the article ran.
>
>The article did not mention the booklet we published another booklet=20
>alongside Southern Slavery: As It Was, a booklet entitled The Biblical=20
>Offense of Racism. The article did not mention that Christ Church is a=20
>multi-racial congregation. The article did not mention that we have=20
>multi-racial families in our congregation. The article did not mention=20
>that Steve Wilkin's congregation is integrated. The article did not=20
>mention the public printed debate that I had with a white separatist, =
in=20
>which I argued that Moses married a black woman (Num. 12:1), and that =
the=20
>church in Antioch had a mixed race leadership (Acts 13:1). The article =
did=20
>not mention our published attacks on racism in our magazine Credenda=20
>Agenda. The article did not mention that one of our elders (part of our =

>governing board) lives in the Ivory Coast, and that our church funded =
and=20
>built a community center for the Bakwe people there. The article did =
not=20
>mention that our elders have determined that 10 percent of all the =
money=20
>raised for our church's building fund is committed to capital =
expenditures=20
>overseas, most likely among the Bakwe. The community center there was=20
>funded by this means. The article did not mention that our church has a =

>ministerial training hall, and that one of my ministerial students is a =

>black man who came here to train for the ministry.
>
>I grew up in a segregated town in the South, and when the Supreme Court =

>struck down the separate but equal nonsense, I attended school in a=20
>racially charged situation, and my sister was one of one or two other=20
>white children in her entire elementary school. This was because we=20
>refused to participate in the "white flight" to private education. =
There=20
>are many good arguments for private education, but racism is not one of =

>them. It is a point of honor that our household had nothing to do with=20
>such racism when it would have been easy to give way to it. I honor my=20
>father (Jim Wilson) particularly for how he taught us as children =
during=20
>that time.
>
>So, for the record (again!), racism is a sin. Because I am not an =
ethical=20
>relativist, it is not an "it all depends" kind of sin. God hates it, =
and=20
>will judge it along  with all other sins on the last day. Because God=20
>hates it, so do I. Racial animosity and the more (superficially) benign =

>racial vainglory are both loathsome. God created from one blood every=20
>nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth (Acts 17:26). This=20
>means that we are all cousins, all of us created in the image of God. I =

>say "created" as a convinced creationist, and as one who wants nothing =
to=20
>do with the racialist implications of the theory of evolution. If=20
>evolution is true (which it isn't), and if evolutionary progress is a=20
>coherent concept (which it isn't either), then how is it possible to=20
>escape the implication that one race of men can progress faster =
(depending=20
>on environment) than another race? That is what Darwin taught, but if =
you=20
>are looking for an institution that teaches both premise one and =
premise=20
>two, you will have to look at places like the University of Idaho, and =
not=20
>at any educational institution that I have anything to do with.
>
>In short, I am willing to place our record on race relations (and our=20
>lived-out racial mix) against any local so-called progressive group. If =

>you really
>want an example of Little Norway you will not be able to come to Christ =

>Church for it. Why not look instead at the candidates for city council
>endorsed by the Moscow Civic Association? I am afraid that there are =
many=20
>who would be cheered up considerably if I were a racist, and they would =

>really, really, really like it to be true. But alas, it is not. And so =
my=20
>counsel to them is to go yell up a different rain spout.
>
>Anyone who is interested is certainly welcome to register for this =
year's=20
>history conference, and registration forms are available from Christ=20
>Church. As you are filling it out, you may notice that there is no =
little=20
>box to check for your racial or ethnic background. You see, we don't =
care.=20
>Can the same be said by those registering for classes at the UI?
>
>Oh, and by the way, in response to a column of a few weeks back, we are =

>not interested in burning people at the stake in Friendship Square. =
Sheesh.
>
>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Melynda, if Doug Wilson is so =
intent on
pandering to racism, how do you explain the abundance of his writings =
against
racism?&nbsp; And how do you explain the attendance of various races at =
</span></font><font
   color=3Dblue><span style=3D'color:blue'>Christ</span></font><font =
color=3Dblue><span
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style=3D'color:blue'>Church</span></font><font
color=3Dblue><span style=3D'color:blue'>, at NSA, at Logos, and at the =
annual history
conference?</span></font></p>

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[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Melynda Huskey 
Sent: Saturday,
 October 11, 2003 4:42 =
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To: vision2020 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] =
Aaaaaa!
Slavery!

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Doug Wilson has furnished =
us with
many evidences that he is acquainted with black people (not that we =
asked).
Unfortunately, he could not furnish us with any evidence that he didn't =
write
and publish a pamphlet which reflects fondly on the good old days of the
antebellum South, Christian civilization at its&nbsp;most refined =
pitch&nbsp;in
American history.&nbsp; You know,&nbsp;when a white man
could&nbsp;purchase,&nbsp;brand, whip, rape, breed, and profit from the =
sale of
his own children, while serving as an elder in a Presbyterian =
church.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>What possible purpose =
could such a
tract serve *except* to pander to the pervasive racism of our =
region?&nbsp; I
await a similar pamphlet defending the high value and respect the Nazis =
had for
motherhood.</span></font></p>

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Visionaries, 
 
&gt;Below please find a response to this morning's article on =
slavery. 
&gt; 
&gt;Cordially, 
&gt; 
&gt;Douglas Wilson 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;Your &quot;Slavery Revisted&quot; article in this last weekend =
edition
unfortunately 
&gt;requires some response. First, the commendation: the article was =
objective 
&gt;in that it contained statements (from me, at any rate) that =
accurately 
&gt;stated my position, and that denied the ludicrous charges of racism =
 
&gt;against me. As a &quot;did too/did not&quot; article, the thing was =
fair
enough. 
&gt; 
&gt;But at the same time, the impression left by the mere fact of the =
article 
&gt;is still troubling. Your average reader could be left thinking that =
whether 
&gt;Wilson is a racist or not is a =
matter of
legitimately disputed opinion. He 
&gt;somehow thinks he is not, but the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) =
takes 
&gt;a different view. By the way, I prefer to call that organization =
MDPB 
&gt;(Morris Dees' Piggy Bank). But let's take this out of the &quot;did =
too/did
 
&gt;not&quot; realm. I would like to mention a few things that show this =
is not
a 
&gt;matter of opinion at all. The question before us is actually a =
matter of 
&gt;fact, which can be readily&nbsp; determined by a number of items, =
many of
which 
&gt;were supplied to this newspaper before the article ran. 
&gt; 
&gt;The article did not mention the booklet we published another booklet =
 
&gt;alongside Southern Slavery: As It Was, a booklet entitled The =
Biblical 
&gt;Offense of Racism. The article did not mention that =
Christ Church is a 
&gt;multi-racial congregation. The article did not mention that we have =
 
&gt;multi-racial families in our congregation. The article did not =
mention 
&gt;that Steve Wilkin's congregation is integrated. The article did not =
 
&gt;mention the public printed debate that I had with a white =
separatist, in 
&gt;which I argued that Moses married a black woman (Num. 12:1), and =
that the 
&gt;church in Antioch had a mixed race =
leadership (Acts
13:1). The article did 
&gt;not mention our published attacks on racism in our magazine Credenda =
 
&gt;Agenda. The article did not mention that one of our elders (part of =
our 
&gt;governing board) lives in the Ivory =
Coast, and
that our church funded and 
&gt;built a community center for the Bakwe people there. The article did =
not 
&gt;mention that our elders have determined that 10 percent of all the =
money 
&gt;raised for our church's building fund is committed to capital =
expenditures 
&gt;overseas, most likely among the Bakwe. The community center there =
was 
&gt;funded by this means. The article did not mention that our church =
has a 
&gt;ministerial training hall, and that one of my ministerial students =
is a 
&gt;black man who came here to train for the ministry. 
&gt; 
&gt;I grew up in a segregated town in the South, and when the Supreme =
Court 
&gt;struck down the separate but equal nonsense, I attended school in a =
 
&gt;racially charged situation, and my sister was one of one or two =
other 
&gt;white children in her entire elementary school. This was because we =
 
&gt;refused to participate in the &quot;white flight&quot; to private
education. There 
&gt;are many good arguments for private education, but racism is not one =
of 
&gt;them. It is a point of honor that our household had nothing to do =
with 
&gt;such racism when it would have been easy to give way to it. I honor =
my 
&gt;father (Jim Wilson) particularly for how he taught us as children =
during 
&gt;that time. 
&gt; 
&gt;So, for the record (again!), racism is a sin. Because I am not an =
ethical 
&gt;relativist, it is not an &quot;it all depends&quot; kind of sin. God =
hates
it, and 
&gt;will judge it along&nbsp; with all other sins on the last day. =
Because God 
&gt;hates it, so do I. Racial animosity and the more (superficially) =
benign 
&gt;racial vainglory are both loathsome. God created from one blood =
every 
&gt;nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth (Acts =
17:26). This 
&gt;means that we are all cousins, all of us created in the image of =
God. I 
&gt;say &quot;created&quot; as a convinced creationist, and as one who =
wants
nothing to 
&gt;do with the racialist implications of the theory of evolution. If =
 
&gt;evolution is true (which it isn't), and if evolutionary progress is =
a 
&gt;coherent concept (which it isn't either), then how is it possible to =
 
&gt;escape the implication that one race of men can progress faster =
(depending 
&gt;on environment) than another race? That is what Darwin taught,
but if you 
&gt;are looking for an institution that teaches both premise one and =
premise 
&gt;two, you will have to look at places like the University<f=
ont
 size=3D2 face=3DVerdana> of Idaho, and
not 
&gt;at any educational institution that I have anything to do with. 
&gt; 
&gt;In short, I am willing to place our record on race relations (and =
our 
&gt;lived-out racial mix) against any local so-called progressive group. =
If 
&gt;you really 
&gt;want an example of Little Norway you will not be able to come to =
Christ 
&gt;Church for it. Why not look instead at the candidates for city =
council 
&gt;endorsed by the Moscow Civic Association? I am afraid that there are =
many 
&gt;who would be cheered up considerably if I were a racist, and they =
would 
&gt;really, really, really like it to be true. But alas, it is not. And =
so my 
&gt;counsel to them is to go yell up a different rain spout. 
&gt; 
&gt;Anyone who is interested is certainly welcome to register for this =
year's 
&gt;history conference, and registration forms are available from Christ =
 
&gt;Church. As you are filling it out, you may notice that there is no =
little 
&gt;box to check for your racial or ethnic background. You see, we don't =
care. 
&gt;Can the same be said by those registering for classes at the UI? 
&gt; 
&gt;Oh, and by the way, in response to a column of a few weeks back, we =
are 
&gt;not interested in burning people at the stake in Friendship
 Square. Sheesh. 
&gt; 
&gt; 
 
 
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