[Vision2020] "Do Not Call" bill passes
Dale Courtney
dmcourtn@moscow.com
Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:52:04 -0700
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But, Sunil, the issue isn't how *I* define democracy; or how *you* =
define democracy. Rather, it is how our Founding Father's defined =
democracy and distanced us from it Constitutionally.=20
That distancing can be seen in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, Oaths =
of Office (to support and defend the Constitution), the way that the =
electoral college was established (so that the big States cannot stomp =
on the rights of the little States), etc.=20
Remember how James Madison defined democracy:=20
"From this view of the subject, it may be concluded, that a pure =
Democracy,
by which I mean a Society consisting of a small number of citizens, =
who
assemble and administer the Government in person, can admit of no cure =
for
the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost =
every
case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert
results from the form of Government itself; and there is nothing to =
check
the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party, or an obnoxious =
individual.
Hence it is, that such Democracies have ever been spectacles of =
turbulence
and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal =
security, or
the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their =
lives, as
they have been violent in their deaths." (Federalist #10)
Do you not like Madison's definition of Democracy?=20
Best,=20
Dale
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From: Sunil Ramalingam=20
To: dmcourtn@moscow.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 09:20
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Do Not Call" bill passes
Well, I do recognize a very narrow definition when I see one. There =
are other definitions of 'democracy' besides the one you choose to use; =
I looked up the others before posting...I think Peter Willard addressed =
this point well in his post.
Sunil
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<DIV>But, Sunil, the issue isn't how *I* define democracy; or how *you* =
define=20
democracy. Rather, it is how our Founding Father's defined democracy and =
distanced us from it Constitutionally. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That distancing can be seen in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, =
Oaths of=20
Office (to support and defend the Constitution), the way that the =
electoral=20
college was established (so that the big States cannot stomp on the =
rights of=20
the little States), etc. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Remember how James Madison defined democracy: </DIV>
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<DIV>"From this view of the subject, it may be concluded, that a pure=20
Democracy,<BR>by which I mean a Society consisting of a small number =
of=20
citizens, who<BR>assemble and administer the Government in person, can =
admit=20
of no cure for<BR>the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or =
interest will,=20
in almost every<BR>case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a =
communication=20
and concert<BR>results from the form of Government itself; and there =
is=20
nothing to check<BR>the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party, or =
an=20
obnoxious individual.<BR>Hence it is, that such Democracies have ever =
been=20
spectacles of turbulence<BR>and contention; have ever been found =
incompatible=20
with personal security, or<BR>the rights of property; and have in =
general been=20
as short in their lives, as<BR>they have been violent in their =
deaths."=20
(Federalist #10)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Do you not like Madison's definition of Democracy? </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Best, </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Dale</DIV>
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<A title=3Dsunilramalingam@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddmcourtn@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dmcourtn@moscow.com">dmcourtn@moscow.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2003=20
09:20</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] "Do =
Not Call"=20
bill passes</DIV>
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<P>Well, I do recognize a very narrow definition when I see one. =
There=20
are other definitions of 'democracy' besides the one you choose to =
use; I=20
looked up the others before posting...I think Peter Willard addressed =
this=20
point well in his post.<BR><BR>Sunil</P></DIV>
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