[Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
Sara Anderson
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Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:40:54 -0800
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Dan,
"Slavery this,
topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?"
I don't know about you, but I think slavery does matter in the big scheme of things. Slavery in the Southern US may have been a "complicated" issue, but it is not a complicated moral issue: slavery is wrong. There is no moral excuse for one person (of whatever faith or non-faith) to own another. Racial diversity may exist amongst Christ Church members. This does not excuse a dismissive attitude towards the unspeakable cruelty that slavery necessarily creates - and does not erase the context of racism so inextricable with the US' history with slavery.
A few weeks ago, there was a letter to the editor of the Argonaut where (and I'm paraphrasing) it was stated that if a man beats his wife, this does not make the institution of marriage a bad thing. This may be true, but if the institution of marriage creates a relationship between a husband and wife that gives absolute power to the husband, and abolishes the autonomy of the wife, the power differential necessarily leads to abuses. This makes the institution itself wrong.
The comparison to slavery is obvious.
- Sara Anderson
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: UI and WSU statements on slavery issue (Tom Hansen)
2. Test (Donovan Arnold)
3. Question (Dave Tibbals)
4. Thoughts on the conference (Carl Westberg)
5. RE: Thoughts on the conference (Dan Carscallen)
6. TALK SHOW 11/16/03: IDAHO CONSERVATION LEAGUE (Tim Lohrmann)
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:55:51 -0800
From: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] UI and WSU statements on slavery issue
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Let me see if I have this straight.
The Daily News lied.
The Spokesman Review lied.
Historians from the University of Idaho, Univesity of Maryland, and Duke
University all lied.
Presidents of the University of Idaho and Washington State University are
under misconceptions.
And somehow, through all these lies and misconceptions, Wilson and Wilkins
are misunderstood civic activists on a mission.
Being always right must be an awesome burden.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
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> > Thomas Hansen wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Mr. London. I realize that neither UI nor WSU
> > in any way, shape, form or fashion sponsor such a lecture
> > and SINCERELY APPRECIATE THEIR RESPECTIVE PRESIDENTS' > FORTHRIGHTNESS.
> >
> > From: bill london [mailto:london@moscow.com]
> > Subject: UI and WSU statements on
> > slavery issue
> >
> > Both the UI and WSU Presidents issued statements
> > about the slavery issue and the use of UI
> > facilities FOR A CONFERENCE SPONSORED BY AN ORGANIZATION
> > SUPPORTING SLAVERY. (Emphasis added by D.C.)
>
> I have a hard time appreciating anybody's forthrightness
> when I feel pretty sure NO organization currently sponsoring
> a conference at the UI supports slavery.
>
> The WSU president has over-reacted. Weeks earlier, the Daily
> News over-reported (which is a crashingly big euphemism for
> performed poorly).
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> Some people involved in this have gotten several hours more
> than their 15-minutes of deserved media attention. Me, I'm
> only up to 39 seconds.
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> Don Coombs
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:46:27 -0800
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I have recently subscribed to this list serve, "vision2020". While I try
to follow the local news via the newspaper I am confused as to this
boycott thing towards some local businesses. I suspect it has something
to do with Christ Church and their head pastors unorthodox views
concerning slavery. Could someone on this list give me a concise but
brief synopsis of the sequence of events leading to this boycott please?
Not trying to be sarcastic or anything just attempting to understand
what all the vehemence is directed at.
David Tibbals
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Disclaimer: the following is the sole opinion of the liberal writing the
post, and in no way should be thought to reflect the opinions of any others
of his ilk, living or dead, real or fictional.....I agree with Don Coombs
that this has been blown out of proportion. I do not think that Mr. Wilson
is a racist. I do find his beliefs on slavery and the civil war curious,
and I do disagree with them, vigorously. I also disagree with his views on
evolution; topless car washes; and probably more taste, less filling; Ginger
or Maryanne; Wilma or Betty, but I can't equate him with that black-hearted
old man in Hayden. Slavery will no doubt be an issue during this
conference, but, as other people have written earlier, this is a diverse
community, existing in a diverse world, and, as Rob Keenan pointed out,
prior restraint ain't a good thing. On a related note, I happen to know a
few members of Christ Church, and despite our philosophical differences,
I've even had a few beers from time to time with one of them. To protect
his innocence, I will not reveal his name, but I was shocked to discover
that he's not a bad guy.....for a conservative, of course.
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:02:34 -0800
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Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
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Carl, I couldn't have put it better myself. (should I put a disclaimer
about this being the sole opinion of the guy who doesn't really align
himself with any "wing", though I probably lean more to the right?)
It seems that everyone is just looking for something to say about Doug
Wilson. Whoopidee ding dong. I couldn't tell you if I knew anyone who
attended Christ Church because I don't know if I know anyone who does,
and I might recognize Mr. Wilson if we passed on the street, but only
because the paper seems to run his picture every other day. And I for
dang sure haven't seen any horns growing out of his head. Slavery this,
topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?
I guess it just goes to show that Moscow really is a pretty nice place
to live when most of the arguments are about petty stuff, right?
Livin' and lettin' live,
DC
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Disclaimer: the following is the sole opinion of the liberal writing
the
post, and in no way should be thought to reflect the opinions of any
others
of his ilk, living or dead, real or fictional.....I agree with Don
Coombs
that this has been blown out of proportion. I do not think that Mr.
Wilson
is a racist. I do find his beliefs on slavery and the civil war
curious,
and I do disagree with them, vigorously. I also disagree with his views
on
evolution; topless car washes; and probably more taste, less filling;
Ginger
or Maryanne; Wilma or Betty, but I can't equate him with that
black-hearted
old man in Hayden. Slavery will no doubt be an issue during this
conference, but, as other people have written earlier, this is a diverse
community, existing in a diverse world, and, as Rob Keenan pointed out,
prior restraint ain't a good thing. On a related note, I happen to know
a
few members of Christ Church, and despite our philosophical differences,
I've even had a few beers from time to time with one of them. To
protect
his innocence, I will not reveal his name, but I was shocked to discover
that he's not a bad guy.....for a conservative, of course.
Carl Westberg Jr.
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Visionaries,
At 9 a.m. on Sunday 11/16/03 MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS, a talk show on KUOI 89.3 FM in Moscow (web audio on KUOI.org) will feature the following guest:
--(9-10 am) Jonathan Oppenheimer, North Idaho Associate of the Idaho Conservation League will be in the studio. Oppenheimer will discuss fire suppression and logging issues in the Clearwater National Forest, wildlife habitat preservation and the mission of the Idaho Conservation League.
(10-11 am) We will finish up the discussion with Jonathan Oppenheimer and possibly move on to other topics and open line calls.
MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS is aired live every Sunday Morning from 9-11 am on KUOI 89.3 FM and streamed live via the internet on KUOI's website(KUOI.org)
Call in phone #'s: 885-6392 or 885-6393
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