[Vision2020] Al Gore's 11/9/03 speech
Tim Lohrmann
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Garrett,
Did ole Al happen to discuss or bring up that umm..."incident" wherein hundreds of top secret/confidential FBI files on individual American citizens were accessed by the Clintons--his old bosses?
About how they gathered the files--many on high level political opponents-- using their own handpicked White House security service thug and kept them in the White House for whatever purpose(it's not too hard to imagine) for two years?
Bill and Hillary definitely had the Patriot Act spirit, didn't they? It boggles the mind to think of what they and Janet "tank" Reno might have dreamed up if they'd had a 9/11 justification on their watch.
Just as you asked below---I never saw why Bill and Algore had any support when they were clearly not trustworthy guys. Maybe the reason many still support Bush is the same reason that many continued to support Clinton--either they didn't see much of an alternative or they plain just don't care.
TL
Clinton Dogged by FBI Files, Travel Office Trial
>From Correspondent Jill Dougherty
CLEVELAND (CNN, June 23) -- As President Clinton prepared for a speech in Cleveland Saturday, Bob Dole unleashed a stinging attack on the Clinton White House for collecting FBI files on Republicans.
"The Clinton administration came into office vowing to set a new ethical standard. Unfortunately, the standard they have set cannot be defended. America deserves better," Dole said in Saturday's Republican radio address.
"They misused the FBI and revealed a pattern of ethical arrogance, the full extent of which even today we are just beginning to discover."
The president made no public statement about Dole's address, but his campaign spokesman, traveling with him, fired back.
"It is unfortunate that Bob Dole has used his first national forum to speak to the public since wrapping up his nomination to talk about only negative partisan attacks. Bob Dole has yet to give the country any reason to vote for him."
And White House deputy press secretary Mary Ellen Glynn asked rhetorically, "Doesn't Dole have anything new to talk about?" She said Dole had "no new ideas or policies about the future of the country, whereas Clinton has offered substantive proposals on welfare, balancing the budget, creating new jobs."
Clinton stuck to his script as he spoke to the U.S. Conference of Mayors. He announced new steps to track sex offenders, including the development of a national registry to track sexual offenders and child molesters across the country. Sens. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, and Phil Gramm, R-Texas, have introduced a bill in Congress to develop that registry, he said.
"We must make sure police in every state can get the information they need from any state to track sex offenders down and bring them to justice when they commit new crimes," Clinton told the conference.
Meanwhile, Republicans and Democrats traded furious charges regarding the FBI files controversy.
House speaker Newt Gingrich said Saturday that the White House must turn over 2,000 pages of travel office files or the House will declare it in contempt of Congress next week.
"Over 400 files from the Federal Bureau of Investigation have been taken by political operatives working for Clinton," House Speaker Newt Gingrich said. "They were kept in the White House for two years. They were kept in a room which we are now finding out that interns routinely went in and out of. And I think that it is a little disgusting to have the White House pretend that everything is normal."
Rep. Tom Lantos, D-California, responded on CNN's "Evans and Novak" that "clearly some of my Republican colleagues would like to see nothing more than to have a gigantic ceremonial sword set up in front of the White House and have the president fall on it. He's not going to do that."
Despite the controversy, Clinton's rating remains relatively high, even though polls indicate that the majority of voters believe the White House did something improper with the FBI files. On "CNN Saturday Morning," Republican strategist Lynn Nofziger predicted the president's approval rating could take a downturn.
"The buck does not stop with Mr. Livingstone, does not stop with Mr. Lindsey, does not even stop with Leon Panetta. It stops in the Oval Office with President Clinton. I think you're going to see a change in attitude among the voters," he said.
The Clinton campaign claims that voters care mostly about job performance, not FBI files. Their strategy: keep showing the president is delivering on issues that really matter to them.
Garrett Clevenger <onewildearth@hotmail.com> wrote:
Has anybody else seen/heard Al Gore's speech from 11/9/03? It's available
at cspan.org under their "latest video" section.
I've never been a Gore fan, but I say he was brilliant in his speech. It's
the most outspoken he's been against Bush's den.
He gives a lot of details and candid thoughts, all, apparantly, without
using a scripted speech or noticable use of notes.
Major points:
Bush is more interested in maintaining the privacy of his dealings (ie 911
investigation stalling; energy bill consultations secrecy) while seeking to
pry into Americans personal lives (ie Patriot Act provisions).
Bush won't release the names of those detained and released after 911, but
his administration released the name of a CIA operative to the public.
Openess in government is key to preventing distrust of government.
The arrogance of Bush and his condoning mass invasion of civil liberties
deligitimizes America's call for protecting human rights and democracy.
He accuses Bush of using "the war against terrorism for partisan advantage
and introduce far reaching controversial changes in social policy by a side
wind in an effort to consolidate its political power." He contasts him to
Churchill who, during WWII, said specifically the war must not do that to
England.
US must immediately stop the unAmerican indefinite detaining of citizens
without due process and also give all non citizens trials, as would be
expect for American soldiers captured.
The Patriot should be repealled and the provisions that are acceptable
passed as separate legislation.
It's up to citizens to encourage our representatives to see that through.
The Constitution's values matter more during difficult times.
Highly reccomended if you want a detailed analysis of Patriot Act provisions
and why Americans should be concerned about Bush's policies.
My question to Bush supporters:
How can you justify this administration's actions? I'm just curious as to
why Bush still has support when it's obious he doesn't seem like a
trustworthy guy.
Garrett Clevenger
http://www.icehouse.net/garrett
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<DIV>Garrett,</DIV>
<DIV> Did ole Al happen to discuss or bring up that umm..."incident" wherein hundreds of top secret/confidential FBI files on individual American citizens were accessed by the Clintons--his old bosses? </DIV>
<DIV> About how they gathered the files--many on high level political opponents-- using their own handpicked White House security service thug and kept them in the White House for whatever purpose(it's not too hard to imagine) for two years?</DIV>
<DIV> Bill and Hillary definitely had the Patriot Act spirit, didn't they? It boggles the mind to think of what they and Janet "tank" Reno might have dreamed up if they'd had a 9/11 justification on their watch.</DIV>
<DIV> Just as you asked below---I never saw why Bill and Algore had any support when they were clearly not trustworthy guys. Maybe the reason many still support Bush is the same reason that many continued to support Clinton--either they didn't see much of an alternative or they plain just don't care. </DIV>
<DIV> TL</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<H1>Clinton Dogged by FBI Files, Travel Office Trial</H1>
<P>From Correspondent Jill Dougherty</P>
<P>CLEVELAND (CNN, June 23) -- As President Clinton prepared for a speech in Cleveland Saturday, Bob Dole unleashed a stinging attack on the Clinton White House for collecting FBI files on Republicans.</P>
<P>"The Clinton administration came into office vowing to set a new ethical standard. Unfortunately, the standard they have set cannot be defended. America deserves better," Dole said in Saturday's Republican radio address.</P>
<P>"They misused the FBI and revealed a pattern of ethical arrogance, the full extent of which even today we are just beginning to discover."</P>
<P>The president made no public statement about Dole's address, but his campaign spokesman, traveling with him, fired back.</P>
<P>"It is unfortunate that Bob Dole has used his first national forum to speak to the public since wrapping up his nomination to talk about only negative partisan attacks. Bob Dole has yet to give the country any reason to vote for him."</P>
<P>And White House deputy press secretary Mary Ellen Glynn asked rhetorically, "Doesn't Dole have anything new to talk about?" She said Dole had "no new ideas or policies about the future of the country, whereas Clinton has offered substantive proposals on welfare, balancing the budget, creating new jobs."</P>
<P>Clinton stuck to his script as he spoke to the U.S. Conference of Mayors. He announced new steps to track sex offenders, including the development of a national registry to track sexual offenders and child molesters across the country. Sens. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, and Phil Gramm, R-Texas, have introduced a bill in Congress to develop that registry, he said.</P>
<P>"We must make sure police in every state can get the information they need from any state to track sex offenders down and bring them to justice when they commit new crimes," Clinton told the conference.</P>
<P>Meanwhile, Republicans and Democrats traded furious charges regarding the FBI files controversy. </P>
<P>House speaker Newt Gingrich said Saturday that the White House must turn over 2,000 pages of travel office files or the House will declare it in contempt of Congress next week. </P>
<P>"Over 400 files from the Federal Bureau of Investigation have been taken by political operatives working for Clinton," House Speaker Newt Gingrich said. "They were kept in the White House for two years. They were kept in a room which we are now finding out that interns routinely went in and out of. And I think that it is a little disgusting to have the White House pretend that everything is normal."</P>
<P>Rep. Tom Lantos, D-California, responded on CNN's "Evans and Novak" that "clearly some of my Republican colleagues would like to see nothing more than to have a gigantic ceremonial sword set up in front of the White House and have the president fall on it. He's not going to do that."</P>
<P>Despite the controversy, Clinton's rating remains relatively high, even though polls indicate that the majority of voters believe the White House did something improper with the FBI files. On "CNN Saturday Morning," Republican strategist Lynn Nofziger predicted the president's approval rating could take a downturn.</P>
<P>"The buck does not stop with Mr. Livingstone, does not stop with Mr. Lindsey, does not even stop with Leon Panetta. It stops in the Oval Office with President Clinton. I think you're going to see a change in attitude among the voters," he said.</P>
<P>The Clinton campaign claims that voters care mostly about job performance, not FBI files. Their strategy: keep showing the president is delivering on issues that really matter to them.</P></DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Garrett Clevenger <onewildearth@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Has anybody else seen/heard Al Gore's speech from 11/9/03? It's available <BR>at cspan.org under their "latest video" section.<BR><BR>I've never been a Gore fan, but I say he was brilliant in his speech. It's <BR>the most outspoken he's been against Bush's den.<BR><BR>He gives a lot of details and candid thoughts, all, apparantly, without <BR>using a scripted speech or noticable use of notes.<BR><BR>Major points:<BR>Bush is more interested in maintaining the privacy of his dealings (ie 911 <BR>investigation stalling; energy bill consultations secrecy) while seeking to <BR>pry into Americans personal lives (ie Patriot Act provisions).<BR><BR>Bush won't release the names of those detained and released after 911, but <BR>his administration released the name of a CIA operative to the public.<BR><BR>Openess in government is key to preventing distrust of government.<BR><BR>The arro!
gance of
Bush and his condoning mass invasion of civil liberties <BR>deligitimizes America's call for protecting human rights and democracy.<BR><BR>He accuses Bush of using "the war against terrorism for partisan advantage <BR>and introduce far reaching controversial changes in social policy by a side <BR>wind in an effort to consolidate its political power." He contasts him to <BR>Churchill who, during WWII, said specifically the war must not do that to <BR>England.<BR><BR>US must immediately stop the unAmerican indefinite detaining of citizens <BR>without due process and also give all non citizens trials, as would be <BR>expect for American soldiers captured.<BR><BR>The Patriot should be repealled and the provisions that are acceptable <BR>passed as separate legislation.<BR><BR>It's up to citizens to encourage our representatives to see that through.<BR><BR>The Constitution's values matter more during difficult times.<BR><BR><BR>Highly reccomended if you want a detailed analysis o!
f Patriot
Act provisions <BR>and why Americans should be concerned about Bush's policies.<BR><BR>My question to Bush supporters:<BR>How can you justify this administration's actions? I'm just curious as to <BR>why Bush still has support when it's obious he doesn't seem like a <BR>trustworthy guy.<BR><BR>Garrett Clevenger<BR><BR>http://www.icehouse.net/garrett<BR><BR>"What are we doing to our Home?!:("<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always <BR>playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! <BR>http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio<BR><BR>_____________________________________________________<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net <BR>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ</BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1>
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