[Vision2020] public schools & indoctrination
Dale Courtney
dmcourtn@moscow.com
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:46:00 -0800
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Amy,
A Christian principle is "Thou Shalt Not Steal" (the 8th Commandment). You
cannot have laws against stealing if there isn't a category of "personal
property."
When you teach children to turn over their personal property to the
collective, and have a good attitude about it -- that's not teaching them to
share. That's teaching them to be content with the collective's confiscation
("thank you, mother Borg, for taking care of me).
If you really want them to learn to share, then allow them to keep their
personal property and teach them to share what is theirs -- not what belongs
to the collective.
Best,
Dale
The idea that 'the public interest' supersedes private interests and rights
can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some individuals
take precedence over the interests and rights of others.
- Ayn Rand
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of amy smoucha
Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2003 23:51
To: joshuahendrik@yahoo.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] public schools & indoctrination
Well, Joshua, it's been a long time since I took child development, but I
think the stage where everything is "mine" belongs primarily to toddlers
(and libertarians and you). Again, I sincerely doubt that children have any
sense of property "rights." Yeah, before they realize their connectedness
to others, and not just to mom, they live in a self-centered universe, and
they think everything they can eat or touch belongs to them exclusively, but
when properly loved and held and socialized (as I was and as my theoretical
children would be), they move past that stage.
No one would argue that we should teach children that "what their parents
buy for them really belongs to others." But maybe we should teach them to
value others more than what their parents buy for them.
Amy
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<P>Well, Joshua, it's been a long time since I took child development, =
but I=20
think the stage where everything is "mine" belongs primarily to =
toddlers (and=20
libertarians and you). Again, I sincerely doubt that children =
have any=20
sense of property "rights." Yeah, before they realize their=20
connectedness to others, and not just to mom, they live in a =
self-centered=20
universe, and they think everything they can eat or touch belongs to =
them=20
exclusively, but when properly loved and held and socialized (as I was =
and as=20
my theoretical children would be), they move past that stage.</P>
<P>No one would argue that we should teach children that "what their =
parents=20
buy for them really belongs to others." But maybe we should =
teach them=20
to value others more than what their parents buy for them.</P>
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