[Vision2020] Alturas again
Barbara Richardson Crouch
edc@moscow.com
Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:34:50 -0800
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Donovan,
Based on the jobs and payroll, I say Alturas helsp the community. Most of
the funds used to pay Alturas employees comes from outside our economic
base. Companies like CC Benefits have clients taht are almost exclusively
in the Midwest or on the East Coast. That is money brought here from
outside the local economy. Likewise, many of the companies in Alturas
generate much of their revenue from outside of Moscow. The Tax Allocation
Area generates about $165,000 per year in taxes (not including the school
district receives their levy). I know for a fact, that five companies in
Alturas bring in more than $1,575,000 in revenue from outside
Moscow/Pullman - Lewiston/Clarkston. Therefore, I believe Alturas does more
harm than good for the community. And at a minimum it keeps this board
active and not talking about E911; school facilities; etc.
Barbara Richardson Crouch
Latah Economic Development Council
121 Sweet Ave.
Moscow, Idaho 83843
(208) 885-2832
(208) 885-3803 (fax)
edc@moscow.com
www.moscow.com/edc
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:12 PM
To: strand@pacsim.com; london@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Alturas again
I haven't commented on this issue yet. But I do happen to think that many of
your are being intellectually dishonest.
I think Mr. London raises a very good question that people should be asking
themselves:"Does Alturus do more harm or good for the community?"
I think this issue is far more complicated than either we should or
shouldn't subsidize private businesses. Certainly all private businesses
benefit from public dollars. We pave the roads, provide sidewalks, and other
utilities and services to almost every business that is privately owned and
operated. We also provide a large number of paying customers with the
University and other local, state, and federal employees that live and shop
in the area.
I agree that every time the government provides a service it damages the
private industry. It is the balance between how much overall harm versus how
much overall help it provides that I think should be at issue. Obviously,
the police, fire protection, postal service and education is is something
the majority of people want provided by the government. But where we get
into areas of controversy are to what degree we subsidize private businesses
and what businesses.
Instead of addressing the issue that Mr. London asked, that should concern
all of us, people are making arguments that are irrelevant.
Who really cares if the business hurt was located on the 300th S block of
Main or the 600th W block of A St? The issue is still the same. Are Moscow
businesses being harmed by Alturas or not? And if so to what degree?
I also disagree that Alturas provides 87 jobs and some $3+ million in
salaries. Buildings don't provide jobs, public demand for a service or
product does. Regardless of if Alturus is there or not, if there is a demand
and the means to provide the service at a profit someone will fill the void.
Now is anyone willing to address Mr. London's original concern? Does Alturas
provide a greater good or harm to the community? And why do you think it
does?
Donovan
>To: "'bill london'" , "'Vision2020'"
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Alturas again
>Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:39:23 -0800
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>Mr. London,
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>What is wrong with some factual reporting here?
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>"Four non-technology businesses have moved to Alturas from various
>locations in Moscow - one from the down town area"
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>Simple, accurate... But unfortunately, it doesn't have the emotional
>appeal of saying they all abandoned the downtown area (as you repeatedly
>say).
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>Find any entity away from this forum that would consider 604 W A St as
>"downtown" and I will chalk up your posts to a difference of opinion.
>Until then, and I will call them a deliberate misrepresentation. And
>redrawing the downtown lines is simply trying to justify the
>misrepresentation once it was brought to light.
>
>Bill Strand
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