[Vision2020] Grassroots for Dean
Donovan Arnold
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Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:12:03 -0800
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<P>Rob,</P>
<P>I am not arguing if Dean is ahead in the Democratic nomination or the national polls. Those don't matter one bit. Clark is ahead of Bush in the South. National polls don't mean a thing. If Dean gets 99% of the vote in New England and 40% in the rest of country he will still lose. National polls are meaningless in the election of the President. If the popular vote elected the president Gore would be President. What you want is 50%+ of the vote in as many states as you can, not 65% of the vote in most liberal of states. </P></DIV>
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<P>A vote for Dean is reassurance of an electoral victory for Bush. You need 270 electoral votes, not a majority of the popular vote. It was this misunderstanding that landed Bush in the White House in 2000 and if it continues it will land him there again. Dean is a giant strategic mistake.</P>
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<P>Clark and Edwards have the biggest support in South over Bush. That is what is important. Dean only appears to be the huge favorite because the other 8 candidates are splitting up the vote. Think about it, 13%? What does that tell you? It tells you that in a 9 person race 13% is a pretty even chop up of the vote. Each candidate is so low in support the margin of error is plus or minus 50% of their support. Start looking at people that can beat Bush in the electoral college. Anything else is a fatal flaw that will ruin our chances in 2004.</P>
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<P>Just so you know. No President will give Gays and Lesbians equal rights. Dean didn't even do that. The Vermont Supreme Court did. Dean just made the decision to back the legislation to give Gays and Lesbians Civil Unions instead of full Marriage that the courts ordered. And it will be the Supreme Court that gives Gays and Lesbians the right to marry and adopt in the future. The President has no ability to do it. In terms of National Health Care coverage, that was a federally funded program, not a state funded program. It was not started by Dean. Vermont is a tiny state that used national funding to get health care for most children in the state. What should matter to you is who wins the 270 or electoral votes. Bush or a guy with (D) after his name on the ballot. Dean (D) and Bush (R) will result in 291 electoral votes for Bush (R). Dean supporters can deny it all they want. But that is the fact, regardless of what you want to think or believe Bush will beat Dean. I a!
gree with Dean supporters 99% on the issues. But their arrogance will lead to the downfall of everything we believe in. Even if we, by miracle, happened to elect Dean President it would cost us Democratic elections all over the country. We would never get any of our issues through congress and state governors would all be Republicans with a capital R. </P>
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<P>Donovan<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Rob Keenan" <BENJAMIN_BARKER@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grassroots for Dean
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:37:04 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>>Just a couple of quick notes: Dean is now leading in New Hampshire. National
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<DIV></DIV>>polls place him five points ahead of Clark. And he's got the biggest support
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<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Donovan Arnold" <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grassroots for Dean
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<DIV></DIV>> > While I am a social-progressive, and like Sharpton and Kucinich, I don't
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<DIV></DIV>>like Howard Dean. There are numerous reasons why that I will not get into
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<DIV></DIV>>the bottom line is this guy cannot win a single southern state. Nobody more
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<DIV></DIV>>are pouring money into his campaign. Dean's confederate flag comment has
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<DIV></DIV>>cost him the support of Sharpton and Dean will now not be able to win Iowa.
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<DIV></DIV>>If he loses in New Hampshire, he will not win the nomination, that is for
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<DIV></DIV>>nomination. I personally like Clark better as a person and think his polling
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<DIV></DIV>> > >Tonight I attended a grassroots meeting of Democrats supporting Howard
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