[Vision2020] Oath for gun ownership/self-government
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<P>You are absolutely correct that I don't know much about the detailed operations and workings of guns. No do I want too, I hate things designed to kill people. But I do know about the sufferings brought on by the destruction of family and friends by morons that legally own and operate guns that could have been prevented by basic simple regulations of who can own a gun. I can get into the gruesome details if you like. </P>
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<P>I ask you, if cars are designed to drive, and we regulate them and who can drive them, If airplanes are designed to fly not kill and we regulate them, if baseball bats are designed to hit balls, and we regulate them, and we live in houses, and regulate them, Why does it not make sense to you to regulate something designed to kill so that children and innocent bystanders are not killed?</P>
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<P>I am willing to accept "YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A GUN". However, I ask that you please recognize the right of my cousin not to have his brains blown out while he is going for a swim, and the right of my brother to send his daughters school without getting hosed down by a spray of bullets, and for people not to get blown away while hunting because of a moron's inability to tell the difference between a human and a 500lbs furry bear? Why is it too hard to recognize that people have a right not to be shot? 5,000 people are killed every year in this country by guns, and most of them were accidents by people that were careless and irresponsible. It is not the killing on purpose that is the problem, you can kill anyone you want without a gun, it is the children sleeping in bed when a bullet rips through a brick wall and enters their head. Or a drunk that grabs one and starts playing with it. Or a child who shows his friend "something really cool". !
It is the troubled emotional teen that grabs the family gun and uses it on himself or his peers. These are things I want to stop. I am not concerned with the drug dealer in a deal gone bad, or the pimp that ripped someone off. I am concerned for the well being of the everyday child, and person on the street that gets shot. <BR>Simple common sense rules like having an IQ, education, and the training to make sure you don't hurt your own children and family, is not to unreasonable to someone who truly does love his family and wants to use a gun for protecting his family. It is not reasonable to someone who wants to use it to make up for small dick or wants to use it to commit a crime or threaten his neighbors or other members of his community. </P>
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<P>I don't want somebody in my community that is insane, chemically dependent, mentally unstable, a very low IQ, uneducated, untrained, and oblivious as to deadliness of gun, owning one and using it at will. That is scary and very threatening to me, even more then a burglar coming into my home with a knife.</P>
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<P>Not regulating and requiring people to meet certain requirements to own and operate a gun is not like not regulating who can be a doctor, firefighter, ambulance driver, taxi driver, or pharmacist. Both can be deadly and cost someone's life.</P>
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<P>People who want to do EVERYTHING to make sure they have right to bare arms in the future should be making some reasonable concessions that allow them to keep a gun in the house. Saying things like " No regulations on firearms or the people that will be using them" and guns that shoot people at 60 rounds a minute are "OK" is only hurting the legitimacy of the argument to keep a gun for personal protection. NOBODY needs to shoot 60 people a minute, NOBODY. </P>
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<P>I personally could care less if people own a gun or not. You want to own a gun, and go shoot at beer cans in a corn field, have at it, I don't care. But when gun owners start popping off members of my family and friends, you better change the way you are doing things. SO far three different guns owners have shot at 1 family member and 2 friends. </P>
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<P>At what point does the right of my family and friends to breath override the the rights of morons to own a gun?</P>
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<P>Donovan Arnold</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oath for gun ownership/self-government
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:50:17 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>Could it be that you are out throwing stones to get things stirred up the
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<DIV></DIV>>way Reverend Wilson does? Your knowledge of weapons professed in this
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<DIV></DIV>>The weapons used in the overwelming majority of gun related crimes are not
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<DIV></DIV>>rifles, machine guns, or even shotguns but cheap hand guns. These have a
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<DIV></DIV>>long string of regulations reaching back to 1964. They haven't worked.
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<DIV></DIV>>What has worked is the fact that the boomer generation has aged and as a
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<DIV></DIV>>It is also part of our system of government in this country that the police
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<DIV></DIV>>don't think any of us want to live in a country where the cops can pick
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<DIV></DIV>>It is in the hands of the victim to defend themselves and that being the
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<DIV></DIV>>I could go one in detail about my rationale butI can hear the groans already
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<DIV></DIV>>;-) Suffice it to say that this basic freedom, like that of speech will
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<P>There are WAY to many stupid people out there that have guns that should
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<P>Donovan Arnold</P>
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