[Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity
Ted Moffett
ted_moffett@hotmail.com
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:18:37 +0000
All:
Link below to story about 100 person strong mall protest after arrest of man
for peace t-shirt (well, technically it was trespassing):
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/bd/Amall-activists.RP1D_DM4.html
Ted
>From: "David Douglas" <ddarrel_douglas@hotmail.com>
>To: ted_moffett@hotmail.com, dgray@uidaho.edu, timlohr@yahoo.com
>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity
>Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 21:58:21 -0800
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>The arrest documents can be found on "The Smoking Gun" website:
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>http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/crossgates1.html
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>David
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>>From: "Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>
>>To: dgray@uidaho.edu, timlohr@yahoo.com
>>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity
>>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 22:37:09 +0000
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>>All:
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>>Follow-up on the arrest of the "Peace T-Shirt" guy: a vocal protest with
>>numerous attending against this man's arrest was held inside the same mall
>>where this man was arrested. As far as I gathered from the news report,
>>not one of the protestors was arrested. The mall has dropped the
>>trespassing charges against the peace t-shirt guy. Seems as though the
>>mall is backing down on this issue. I bet today if someone wore a peace
>>t-shirt in that same mall, they would not be arrested or asked to leave,
>>assuming they were not engaged in some other outrageous conduct. The man
>>in question was accompanied by family members when he was arrested, who
>>are considering suing the mall. According to statements made by people
>>who were accompanying the man who was arrested for trespassing, the
>>evidence seems weak they were creating a large enough disturbance to
>>justify removing them from the mall purely on non-political grounds of
>>disturbing the mall's operation.
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>>Ted
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>>>From: Debbie Gray <dgray@uidaho.edu>
>>>To: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
>>>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity
>>>Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:01:04 -0800 (PST)
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>>>Here's an article that goes into the story a little more. Note that he
>>>was
>>>also 'confronting' people and that the mall (PRIVATE PROPERTY) has signs
>>>about clothing that had the potential to provoke disturbances was banned.
>>>I don't see the sense in arresting the man, but it is private property.
>>>How do you balance that against free speech? What if he or someone came
>>>into your PRIVATE business or even home and refused to leave even though
>>>he/she was wearing a 'I Box and I Vote' or 'Boxers are Beasts' or
>>>even worse: 'Boxers vs. Briefs'...
>>>
>>>Debbie
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>>>------------From the London Times online--------------------------
>>>POLICE have arrested a 60-year-old lawyer wearing a T-shirt saying "Give
>>>Peace A Chance".
>>>A judge charged Stephen Downs with trespassing after he politely declined
>>>to leave the Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, New York State, on
>>>Monday evening, or remove his top, which he had had printed there.
>>>Mr Downs pleaded not guilty and cited his right to free speech. He could
>>>face up to a year in prison. His son, Roger, 31, avoided arrest by
>>>removing a T-shirt saying "No War With Iraq" on one side and "Let
>>>Inspections Work" on the other.
>>>His father's second offending message was: "Peace On Earth." "We weren't
>>>talking to people or handing out leaflets," Mr Downs Jr told a local
>>>newspaper. "My point was I'm not trying to convert anybody," his father
>>>said.
>>>Most Americans support President Bush's war plans, but many Democrat
>>>voters oppose them. James Murley, the local police chief, told The Times
>>>that his office had been inundated with complaints since the arrest.
>>>"We're getting all kinds of e-mails, some of them rather nasty," he said.
>>>Chief Murley said that one of his officers had tried for an hour to
>>>persuade Mr Downs to end a stand-off with two security guards who stopped
>>>him and his son after a shopper reported a confrontation with passers-by
>>>that she thought might turn nasty. But, as one guard pointed out three
>>>times in his deposition to police, he did so "in a nice way". The other
>>>guard took a tougher line, alleging that the men were "bothering"
>>>shoppers
>>>by telling them why they opposed the "pending war with Iraq". Chief
>>>Murley
>>>said that the shopping centre had signs advising customers that the
>>>"wearing of apparel likely to provoke disturbances" was banned. Paul A.
>>>Clyne, the District Attorney, also said that it was up to the mall to
>>>choose its clients.
>>>However, Mr Downs may have an ace up his sleeve when he appears in court
>>>on March 17, with no jury. He is the director of the local office of a
>>>state commission that investigates complaints against judges and imposes
>>>punishments.
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>>>Debbie
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>>> Debbie Gray dgray@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~dgray/
>>> We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to
>>> have the life that is waiting for us." --Joseph Campbell
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