[Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity

[David Douglas]

The arrest documents can be found on "The Smoking Gun" website:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/crossgates1.html


David




>From: "Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>
>To: dgray@uidaho.edu, timlohr@yahoo.com
>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity
>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 22:37:09 +0000
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>All:
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>Follow-up on the arrest of the "Peace T-Shirt" guy:  a vocal protest  with 
>numerous attending against this man's arrest was held inside the same mall 
>where this man was arrested.  As far as I gathered from the news report, 
>not one of the protestors was arrested.  The mall has dropped the 
>trespassing charges against the peace t-shirt guy.  Seems as though the 
>mall is backing down on this issue.  I bet today if someone wore a peace 
>t-shirt in that same mall, they would not be arrested or asked to leave, 
>assuming they were not engaged in some other outrageous conduct.  The man 
>in question was accompanied by family members when he was arrested, who are 
>considering suing the mall.  According to statements made by people who 
>were accompanying the man who was arrested for trespassing, the evidence 
>seems weak they were creating a large enough disturbance to justify 
>removing them from the mall purely on non-political grounds of disturbing 
>the mall's operation.
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>Ted
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>>From: Debbie Gray <dgray@uidaho.edu>
>>To: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
>>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doves/Hawks agree THIS is sheer stupidity
>>Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:01:04 -0800 (PST)
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>>Here's an article that goes into the story a little more. Note that he was
>>also 'confronting' people and that the mall (PRIVATE PROPERTY) has signs
>>about clothing that had the potential to provoke disturbances was banned.
>>I don't see the sense in arresting the man, but it is private property.
>>How do you balance that against free speech? What if he or someone came
>>into your PRIVATE business or even home and refused to leave even though
>>he/she was wearing a 'I Box and I Vote' or 'Boxers are Beasts' or
>>even worse: 'Boxers vs. Briefs'...
>>
>>Debbie
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>>------------From the London Times online--------------------------
>>POLICE have arrested a 60-year-old lawyer wearing a T-shirt saying "Give
>>Peace A Chance".
>>A judge charged Stephen Downs with trespassing after he politely declined
>>to leave the Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, New York State, on
>>Monday evening, or remove his top, which he had had printed there.
>>Mr Downs pleaded not guilty and cited his right to free speech. He could
>>face up to a year in prison. His son, Roger, 31, avoided arrest by
>>removing a T-shirt saying "No War With Iraq" on one side and "Let
>>Inspections Work" on the other.
>>His father's second offending message was: "Peace On Earth." "We weren't
>>talking to people or handing out leaflets," Mr Downs Jr told a local
>>newspaper. "My point was I'm not trying to convert anybody," his father
>>said.
>>Most Americans support President Bush's war plans, but many Democrat
>>voters oppose them. James Murley, the local police chief, told The Times
>>that his office had been inundated with complaints since the arrest.
>>"We're getting all kinds of e-mails, some of them rather nasty," he said.
>>Chief Murley said that one of his officers had tried for an hour to
>>persuade Mr Downs to end a stand-off with two security guards who stopped
>>him and his son after a shopper reported a confrontation with passers-by
>>that she thought might turn nasty. But, as one guard pointed out three
>>times in his deposition to police, he did so "in a nice way". The other
>>guard took a tougher line, alleging that the men were "bothering" shoppers
>>by telling them why they opposed the "pending war with Iraq". Chief Murley
>>said that the shopping centre had signs advising customers that the
>>"wearing of apparel likely to provoke disturbances" was banned. Paul A.
>>Clyne, the District Attorney, also said that it was up to the mall to
>>choose its clients.
>>However, Mr Downs may have an ace up his sleeve when he appears in court
>>on March 17, with no jury. He is the director of the local office of a
>>state commission that investigates complaints against judges and imposes
>>punishments.
>>
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>>Debbie
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>>   Debbie Gray      dgray@uidaho.edu      http://www.uidaho.edu/~dgray/
>>   We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to
>>   have the life that is waiting for us." --Joseph Campbell
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