[Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
Ted Moffett
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Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:49:27 +0000
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Donovan's questions that Dale does not want to answer seem relevant to
illuminating this debate over public vs private schools. So Dale, why not
provide at least some provisional concise answers?
On the other hand, for Donovan to admit there may be a waste of certain
funds in MSD does not really disprove his argument. There may be many
schools, both private and public, where money is not spent wisely. This
does not negate the need for the schools or the services and education they
provide, nor does it disprove according to some grand political or ethical
or spiritual theory that public tax supported schools are inherently wrong.
Both of you are exhibiting entrenched polarized stubbornness which lessens
the credibility of the arguments both of you are making.
Ted
>From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
>To: dale@courtneys.us, vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
>Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:06:06 -0700
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<P>Dale,</P>
<P><U><EM><STRONG>Your refusal to even provide the name of ONE Private School and their budget that offers the same services as MSD is a sure sign of your defeat and a sign you have not done any research to back your claims. </STRONG></EM></U></P></DIV>
<P> You were asked: </P>
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<P>"Here is the question again: Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</P>
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<P>and </P>
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<P>"I know you will say that you already have. And blah blah blah, but not provide one number or the name of one school in the United states that meets these basic standards are children provide." </P>
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<P>and You responded: By saying a name, a number: no you responded by saying:</P>
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<P>"You admit that we have a problem with the spending, etc, at MSD and I'll lay out the plan.Otherwise, I'll be wasting my breath -- like a doctor telling a patient he has terminal cancer, and the patient is in denial and refusing therapy."</P>
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<P>No numbers there Dale, not ONE name of a schools either! More Blah Blah Blah from you. </P>
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<P>PROBLEM 1: Dale is ignoring the question:</P>
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<P>PROBLEM 2: Dale is trying to win the argument by getting me to admit he is right BEFORE presenting the evidence. This is like saying, admit the world is not round and I will present the evidence it is FLAT. No Dale, provide the evidence FIRST, then I will admit to you being correct or incorrect. If I admitted that MSD had a Spending Problem, and believed it, their would not be any need to present the evidence would there? Provide the name and budget of a "Private" school that offers the same opportunities to students and educators as the MSD.</P>
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<P>PROBLEM 3: FALSE Analogy:</P>
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<P>NO, this like a doctor saying to a patient, I haven't done ANY research to back my believe, but you got cancer and I am going to remove a lung and both legs. </P>
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<P>PROBLEM 4: Contradiction of words and actions:</P>
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<P>"Otherwise, I will be wasting my breath" </P>
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<P>Gee, Dale, you wrote over 25 postings whining about this issue and haven't convinced a soul. Yet, now writing one email with a NAME of the school and BUDGET of the School that provides the same services to students and educators as MSD is wasting breath? I am asking for one word and a number, not 25 postings. Hardly wasting breath.</P>
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<P>I have listed the question ten more times below in different font and sizes to be sure that you get the question. <STRONG><EM><U>Your refusal to even provide the name of ONE Private School and their budget that offers the same services as MSD is a sure sign of your defeat and a sign you have not done any research to back your claims. </U></EM></STRONG>If you have, then type the name and budget, and I will be proven wrong. But you know, like everyone else on Vision2020, that no private school provides the same services to all students as public students at a lesser cost. Your inability to name one "private" non-publicly funded school to do this is CLEAR evidence you are wrong, wrong, WRONG! And you will continue to make excuses, whine, complain, and show statistics, rather then naming that ONE Private school. And the answer is clear why you do this. Because not ONE Private non-publicly funded school exists in this country that does. One the other hand, excus!
es, statistics, whining, and complaints come in endless quantities and shapes. So that is what you use, because that is all you have. </P>
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<P>Thanks!</P>
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<P>Donovan J Arnold</P>
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<P><FONT color=#00ff33>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#cc6600 size=1>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#669933 face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif" size=2>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#ff66cc face="Garamond, Times, Serif" size=5>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#ffff99 face="Courier New, Courier, Monospace" size=4>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#990033 face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#006633 face="Arial Black, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif" size=2>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#0000ff face="Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#ff9933 face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif" size=5>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=#ff3366 face="Arial Black, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif" size=6><STRONG><U>Show a detailed plan how you can cut the school budget and provide students and educators with the same opportunities and services?"</U></STRONG></FONT></P>
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