Greetings Visionaires -
Question concerning the New St. Andrews College: I understand that
tax-exempt entities cannot actively participate in politics (i.e.
contributions to political parties). Since the bakery part of SNA is not
tax-exempt, could St. Andrews contribute to a political party/candidate
through the bakery (something similar to money laundering)? I realize that
this may be be unethical/illegal, but it also seems far too tempting for
SNA.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> Behalf Of Ted Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:29 PM
> To: dkaag@turbonet.com
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
>
>
> Don and All:
>
> Part of the political process that we all ostensibly have a right to
> participate in involves, as everyone knows, focusing on the conduct and
> impact of groups whose agenda someone disagrees with to galvanize
> opposition
> to said group.
>
> In terms of Christ Church, St, Andrews and Logos, let everyone
> who wishes to
> comment on these groups and their agenda have their say. And
> Christ Church
> and Logos supporters can have their say. Pile it on! The more
> the merrier.
>
> What bothers me is the stereotyping and misleading "facts" being
> presented
> from any and all sides.
>
> But then again, is this not how politics works? If you can get your
> unpleasant stereotype to stick to your opponent, or promote
> misleading facts
> that make your agenda look good, you score points in the
> political arena.
> The issue in politics is often not TRUTH, but IMAGE. And US vs.
> THEM is a
> real psychological motivating engine to create group unity to further a
> cause.
>
> Part of the problem with progressives is they are too open minded and
> relativistic, too tolerant of other viewpoints, so they do not
> organize in
> groups with sufficient cohesion and power and fiery "true
> believer" fervor!
> This is one reason the progressives in America are on the ropes.
>
> Certainly the true believers at Christ Church do see the
> dichotomy between
> them and the non-believers as a real division that makes a
> difference. They
> do not see progressives in the phrasing of Mr. Kaag: "They" is
> us! To deny
> this is to deny reality!
>
> Anyways, I have spent some enjoyable times in Bucers, one night
> discussing
> St. Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God. A rather
> interesting argument you rarely hear the faithful make.
>
> Ted
>
> >From: Don Kaag <dkaag@turbonet.com>
> >To: Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
> >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:57:13 -0700
> >
> >Visionaries:
> >
> >Is anyone else getting tired of the constant sniping at Christ
> Church and
> >Logos that occurs on this site?
> >
> >Is there nothing else in Moscow and environs that attracts people's
> >attention, or that is worthy of discussion? Let's talk about the aquifer
> >some more, or the paucity of decent restaurants.
> >
> >We live, ostensibly, in a free republic, with separation of church and
> >state. No one, so far as I know, is holding a gun to anyone's head and
> >forcing them to attend Christ Church or to send their kids to Logos. So
> >what's the problem? Why can't the "progressive" people in this
> community
> >who talk loudly and constantly about freedom of speech, and
> equal treatment
> >for ethnic and gender minorities, and whine about how George W. Bush
> >"stole" the presidency, allow the members of Christ Church the same
> >freedoms they trumpet so loudly for their various groups and
> causes? Oh, I
> >know---the Christ Church folks are just not "like us"!
> >
> >I have lost count of the conversations with "progressive" friends, and
> >overheard comments in the Moscow High School faculty lounge and other
> >venues that dealt with "them" (i.e., Doug Wilson and his
> congregation...)
> >trying to "take over" Moscow.
> >
> >I have been told by friends that I should not patronize Bucers
> (and now the
> >new bakery on Friendship Square), because the people who own and
> run it are
> >members of Christ Church. What has that got to do with the quality of
> >their coffee or their cinnamon rolls? I like Bucers, although I
> would be
> >happy to have an alternative place which puts smokers off in a room by
> >themselves, plays soft classical music, has intellectually-challenging
> >books to read, and serves reasonably good wine by the glass.
> Someone else
> >open another place like Bucers, and I will spend time there, too. The
> >Corner Club or the Slurp 'n Burp just won't cut it---I dislike
> second-hand
> >smoke and I loathe country and western music.
> >
> >If I bothered to take the time to do a religious background
> check on every
> >establishment I do business with in Moscow, I wouldn't have the
> time to do
> >anything else. Perhaps it would save time if the City Council
> required any
> >business owned and operated by a Christ Church congregant to
> paint a large
> >cross on their window, or maybe they could be forced to wear a
> little cloth
> >cross sewn prominently to their clothing? Then we would all know which
> >establishments were run by "Untermenchen" in our town, and could avoid
> >giving them our business.
> >
> > Rumors abound. "They" are soliciting other conservative Christians to
> >move here and join their congregation, in an attempt to take over the
> >political process. "They" are trying to destroy the public
> school system.
> >"They", now that New Saint Andrews College has taken over the old GTE
> >building, will take over Friendship Square.
> >
> >Hey, reality check... "They" is us. People who live and work
> and worship
> >in this community are members of this community. Christ Church members
> >live here. They pay taxes. If they want to be involved in the
> political
> >process, or encourage their friends to move here, because it is
> a nice to
> >live and raise a family, more power to them. And if they organize, work
> >hard, and are willing to donate time to community affairs, and they
> >out-organize the local "progressives" (who are already a
> political minority
> >in this most Republican of states...) and have themselves
> elected to local
> >and state office, that's the way the political process works.
> >
> >If you don't like it, you are certainly welcome to work harder, or open
> >your own school, or get more "progressive" friends to move here,
> or run for
> >political office. Until then, find a new obsession, and stop
> complaining!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Don Kaag
> >
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