[Vision2020] Video games
Saundra Lund
sslund@moscow.com
Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:02:33 -0700
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I absolutely agree.
It's a tough question, for sure. Being about as much of a bleeding
heart liberal :-) as possible, I'm against banning. However, I'm a big
advocate of personal responsibility: kids need to be responsible,
parents need to be responsible, artists need to be responsible,
corporations need to be responsible, retailers need to be responsible,
and communities need to be responsible.
I think a good start is for everyone (including artists, manufacturers,
and retailers) to remember that the almighty dollar isn't the "be all &
end all."
The Daily News had an article recently about video games, and I was
impressed & heartened to read that some kids are just saying "No" to
violent games.
But, for the kids who aren't, it's a very scary thing, I think. And, it
seems to me that for some, making money rather than thinking of the
effects of such vile trash (subjective, I know) on kids is more
important.
Sad, sad state of affairs, I think, but nothing new.
Saundra Lund
Moscow, Idaho
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
do nothing.
Edmund Burke
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Shawn Clabough
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:12 AM
To: 'vision2020@moscow.com'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Video games
The tough part of this equation is where the parents that should be
"parenting" their child away from this material don't care enough to,
then that child goes out and does something to a child that was actively
"parented". How can society prevent this proactively?
An active parent and gamer,
Shawn Clabough
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Carscallen [mailto:predator75@moscow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:13 AM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Video games
I don't know much about said "cop killing" games, but I do know that the
best game out there right now is ATV off-road fury 2.
To the banners I say, let the parents do some parenting. I would think
a little common sense would take care of a lot of problems.
DC
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Westberg <mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:03 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Video games
I was watching the Newshour on PBS last night, and saw a segment on
violent
video games that opened my eyes. I'm a 52 year old liberal Democrat
that
owns an Xbox and a Playstation 2, but my gaming is limited to golf,
baseball, football, and occasionally bowling and pool. I've only been
peripherally aware of the other, violent genres out there, until last
night.
They spotlighted two games, one of which awards points for killing
policemen, and also gives you the opportunity to have sex with
prostitutes,
and then kill them. After you kill them, you can decapitate them, if
you
wish. In the other game, one of the ways you can kill someone is to
pour
gasoline on them, set them on fire, and then, if you want, urinate on
the
burning corpse. The graphics are quite lifelike. This ain't Pong. I'm
certainly no prude, but I was rather stunned when the segment was
finished.
The gist of the story was an attempt in Washington state to ban games
featuring the killing of police. Are these games ultimately harmless,
and
is this much ado about nothing? Or are they just wrong? If they are
wrong,
what do we as a society do? Is banning an answer?
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everyone (including artists, manufacturers, and retailers) to remember =
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almighty dollar isn't the "be all & end all."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D790514718-08072003><FONT face=3DArial>The Daily News =
had an=20
article recently about video games, and I was impressed & heartened =
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that some kids are just saying "No" to violent =
games.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D790514718-08072003><FONT face=3DArial>But, for the =
kids who=20
aren't, it's a very scary thing, I think. And, it seems to me that =
for=20
some, making money rather than thinking of the effects of such vile =
trash=20
(subjective, I know) on kids is more important.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D790514718-08072003><FONT face=3DArial>Sad, sad state =
of affairs,=20
I think, but nothing new.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Saundra<SPAN class=3D790514718-08072003>=20
Lund</SPAN><BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the =
triumph of=20
evil is for good people to do nothing.<BR>Edmund =
Burke<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Shawn=20
Clabough<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:12 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
'vision2020@moscow.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Video=20
games<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D490320717-08072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
tough part of this equation is where the parents that should be =
"parenting"=20
their child away from this material don't care enough to, then that =
child goes=20
out and does something to a child that was actively "parented". =
How can=20
society prevent this proactively?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D490320717-08072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>An=20
active parent and gamer,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D490320717-08072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Shawn=20
Clabough</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dan =
Carscallen=20
[mailto:predator75@moscow.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 =
8:13=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
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Video games<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I don't know much about said "cop killing" games, but I do know =
that the=20
best game out there right now is ATV off-road fury 2.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>To the banners I say, let the parents do some parenting. I =
would=20
think a little common sense would take care of a lot of =
problems.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>DC</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcarlwestberg846@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Video games</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV>I =
was watching=20
the Newshour on PBS last night, and saw a segment on violent <BR>video =
games=20
that opened my eyes. I'm a 52 year old liberal Democrat that =
<BR>owns an=20
Xbox and a Playstation 2, but my gaming is limited to golf, =
<BR>baseball,=20
football, and occasionally bowling and pool. I've only been=20
<BR>peripherally aware of the other, violent genres out there, until =
last=20
night. <BR> They spotlighted two games, one of which awards =
points for=20
killing <BR>policemen, and also gives you the opportunity to have sex =
with=20
prostitutes, <BR>and then kill them. After you kill them, you =
can=20
decapitate them, if you <BR>wish. In the other game, one of the =
ways you=20
can kill someone is to pour <BR>gasoline on them, set them on fire, =
and then,=20
if you want, urinate on the <BR>burning corpse. The graphics are =
quite=20
lifelike. This ain't Pong. I'm <BR>certainly no prude, but =
I was=20
rather stunned when the segment was finished. <BR>The gist of =
the story=20
was an attempt in Washington state to ban games <BR>featuring the =
killing of=20
police. Are these games ultimately harmless, and <BR>is this =
much ado=20
about nothing? Or are they just wrong? If they are wrong, =
<BR>what=20
do we as a society do? Is banning an=20
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