[Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply

[Ted Moffett]

John, Donovan, Dale:

Lest I be misunderstood, I think both Dale and Donovan were not willing to 
bend a bit at times to allow for a reasonable give and take in their debate.

But I agree for the most part with what Donovan was saying.

And Dale has yet to provide answers to the two important questions Donovan 
asked, even after Donovan pointed out that he has and will acknowledge that 
MSD has inefficiencies that cost $.

I think public education is an appropriate use of tax revenue that provides 
important programs and services, that private schools do not offer, that 
plays a critical role in our society.

And for Dale to claim the educational system will be improved with 
competition from private schools, he must site private schools that offer 
all the programs and services that MSD does, so that competition in all 
these areas actually occurs, and that the comparison is between schools that 
are similar. When Dale refuses to site one private school that offers all 
the programs and services that MSD does, and does it for less, he has not 
shown that private schools really are competitive when looking at the big 
picture.  Dale is just comparing an efficient gas/electric hybrid (a private 
school) to an SUV (a pubic school), and saying, look at how efficient the 
gas/electric hybrid is!  That SUV is a waste of money!  But how many kids 
can the SUV carry compared to the gas/electric?  And can the gas/electric 
hybrid carry a wheel chair lift for the handicapped student?  And so on...

Dale, we are waiting for your answers to Donovan's questions.

Ted


>From: John Harrell <johnbharrell@yahoo.com>
>To: Ted Moffett <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>, donovanarnold@hotmail.com,   
>dale@courtneys.us
>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"but the flame war has been entertaining!"
>
>Amen!
>
>Mr. Donovan Arnold has really flown off the handle a few times this last
>week or so. It has really been quite entertaining. Not that that was what
>was trying to be achieved or anything similar, but just in the logical
>course of discussion, he got bent out of shape and became, well, shrill,
>and his arguments became weaker as he became louder.
>
>Cheers!
>John Harrell
>
>
>--- Ted Moffett <ted_moffett@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Donovan et. al.
> >
> > If you have already agreed that MSD can be more efficient and lower 
>costs,
> > this admission does not automatically lead to the conclusion you say 
>Dale
> > will assume it does, namely that a private school is the answer to solve 
>the
> > alleged inefficiencies at MSD.  It could mean MSD needs internal reforms 
>of
> > one sort or another, or it could mean more volunteers in the school from 
>the
> > community or getting parents more involved in their child's education 
>could
> > lower costs, etc. but all this might be done without involving a private
> > school or schools.
> >
> > But for you to look at Dale's statistics and say, yes, maybe there is a
> > problem with the costs at MSD, now Dale please tell me what you would 
>cut
> > from the MSD budget to solve this problem without eliminating programs 
>and
> > services etc. or give me an example of a private school that provides 
>all
> > the programs and services etc. at MSD for less money, is a simple sort 
>of
> > conversation two people who are interested in the truth, rather than 
>proving
> > their entrenched positions, might have.
> >
> > It did not seem that either of you were having this sort of reasonable 
>give
> > and take in your discussion, but the flame war has been entertaining!
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
> > >To: ted_moffett@hotmail.com, dale@courtneys.us
> > >CC: vision2020@moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
> > >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:32:06 -0700
> > >
> >
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