[Vision2020] Free Speech and Crazy Bush
John Danahy
jdanahy@turbonet.com
Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:01:24 -0800
Come on folks, GW won't release the source because the source is his
daddy. Where do you think Saddam got all this stuff in the first place?
We gave it to him.
John Danahy
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Joe Huffman
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:19 AM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Free Speech and Crazy Bush
How many tons of VX did the UN inspector say Iraq had not accounted for?
I
thought I heard 200 tons. For those of you not familiar with VX -- it
is a
chemical nerve agent developed by the British. The US thought it was so
valuable they traded nuclear bomb technology to them to get VX
technology in
return. The Brits thought it was such awful stuff they washed their
hands
of it. It is now banned by international treaty and the US is in the
process of destroying their stocks of it. And Saddam has 200 tons of
this
stuff???? I'd rather he had nukes because you stand a better chance of
detecting them as they come into the country. Dump a few pounds of this
into the air vents for the Sears tower and you turn it into a mass
grave.
Subways in New York, San Francisco, and D.C.? This could be make the
9/11
casualties look like a warm up.
I do wish Bush would (could?) release the intelligence info that is the
basis for his claims that Saddam must be removed from power. But being
in
the intelligence community (in a round about way) I know that there are
some
things you cannot release without destroying the source. And preserving
those sources is more important that the good that would come from
revealing
the data. For example, what if the conference rooms of one or more of
Saddam's palaces is "bugged". If Bush were to play the recording, or
even
release a transcript, they would certainly know how it was obtained and
destroy that source of extremely valuable intelligence. Same thing with
pictures. And no, I don't have access to any classified data on this
subject.
-joe-
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Ted Moffett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:10 AM
To: dkaag@turbonet.com
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Free Speech and Crazy Bush
Mr. Kaag, et. al.
The "pacifist pets," to quote one of your choice phrases from an earlier
vision2020 post that speaks volumes about your mindset, who are against
the
current push for war against Iraq, are very much concerned about the
thousands of civilian deaths and injuries to men, women and children,
that
will certainly occur if we apply "maximum force consistent with the
mission
and its goals, and with the fewest possible U.S. casualties," to quote
your
wishes for how the war should proceed.
So do you include thousands of civilians, including women and children,
when
you quote Patton about the "poor, dumb, S.O.B." who will die for his
country? Perhaps you are being ironic when you refer to this quote as a
"lovely sentiment." I surely hope so!
Regardless, the fact the you could present your opinions on this subject
only in terms of saving American lives, with no mention of the horrors
that
will be unleashed on civilians in Iraq, is an example of the American
arrogance that earns the U.S the enmity of people around the world, when
we
use our overwhelming military power against weak defenseless nations,
which
certainly describes Iraq at this time.
Debating about whether this will be a "war" or a "massacre" from the
lofty
realms of military science is absurd and callous. It will certainly be
a
"massacre." This is the issue that must be soberly considered before
justifying this "war."
I hope when you teach your students at Moscow High you present more
compassion and balance in your attitudes towards the human family which
must
eventually live together on this planet in peace. It is either peace,
or we
will likely destroy ourselves or create a world of militarized armed
camp
against armed camp misery, etc. We are clearly on our way to one of the
later outcomes!
No, I am not ignorant of the necessity for the use of military force, so
don't trot out your proud militaristic lecture about the rough men who
are
keeping America free so that "pacifist pets" such as myself can speak
their
mind. But I am very realistically aware of what will eventually happen
to
the human race if we cannot give up the habit of war.
Are you?
Ted
>And by the way, although I am not particularly enamored with a war in
Iraq,
>it is my earnest desire that all wars the United States becomes
involved in
>be concluded speedily, with maximum force applied consistant with the
>mission and its goals, and with the fewest possible U.S. casualties.
You
>would prefer, perhaps, a bunch of American kids coming home in body
bags?
>
>General George Patton once said to his troops before battle," It is not
>your job to die for your country... it is your job to make the other
poor,
>dumb, S.O.B. die for his!" A lovely sentiment.
>
>Regards,
>
>Don Kaag
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 11:35 AM, Bob Hoffmann wrote:
>
>>At 09:38 AM 1/29/2003 -0800, Carl Westberg wrote:
>>>It's obvious we will be at war soon. Why the obsessive focus on
Iraq?
>>>It seem's the "axis of evil" has been condensed to Saddam, with North
>>>Korea, Iran, etc. being "different". After Iraq, which way does
Dubya
>>>point his cowboy hat? Iraq is far from the only country we would
have
>>>reason to go war with, given Bush's criteria. I understand Canada's
been
>>>ticking the adminstration off lately.
>>
>>Aside from the oil issue, Iraq meets a number of other U.S.
considerations
>>as a candidate for war, without any exclusionary > issues.
>>
>>For example, since Vietnam, it has been U.S. policy not to fight any
wars
>>that it would have a remote possibility of losing, or even a remote
>>possibility of resulting in massive U.S. casualties. With 50,000 U.S.
>>troops within artillery range of North Korea, this point on the axis
is
>>clearly excluded. Developing nuclear weapons? By their own
admission. A
>>target for U.S. military attack? Not under the mutual damage
exclusionary
>>principle. We only attack countries that have no real possibility of
>>fighting back: Iraq, Grenada, Panama, Libya, etc. Again, under the
>>principles of war, if your enemy cannot fight back or reasonably
defend
>>itself, there is no war, merely a massacre.
>>
>>Bob Hoffmann
>>820 S. Logan St.
>>Moscow, ID 83843
>>
>>>>From: Bill Kerr <billk@moscow.com>
>>>>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Free Speech and Crazy Bush
>>>>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:28:25 -0800
>>>>
>>>>Warning this message contains free speech stimulants. :)
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone else think that Dubya is complete in his craziness yet?
>>>>What is the effect going to be on Moscow?
>>>>Does anybody really care?
>>>>Does Bush really care?
>>>>
>>>>Bill Kerr
>>>>billk@moscow.com
>>>>billk@drseuss.lib.uidaho.edu
>>>>
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