[Vision2020] re: liquor liability
Dale Courtney
dale@courtneys.us
Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:19:20 -0800
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Sigh...
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Let's try this again.=20
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Let's say that the United States were to pass an amendment to the =
Federal
Constitution saying that it was lawful to murder all Jews in the USA.=20
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Would, by passing such a law with a majority vote, make the murdering of
millions of Jews legal? Would it make it lawful? Would it make it right? =
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Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: Sunil Ramalingam [mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 12:15
To: dale@courtneys.us
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability
Dale,
You're not saying this is analagous, are you? But if you really want to =
go
there, then if Idaho were to pass legislation similar to that passed by =
the
Nazis (And did they pass such legislation? Or did they just start =
killing
Jews?), it would run afoul of the federal constitution.
Sunil
>From: "Dale Courtney"=20
>To: "'Sunil Ramalingam'"=20
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability=20
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:46:17 -0800=20
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>Sunil,=20
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>Let's back off from the specific and look at the general: If the State=20
>passes a law, does that make it lawful?=20
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>For example: it was legal in Germany under Hitler to murder the Jews. =
The=20
>State said that was legal, and the actions were taken.=20
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>By passing a law, making the murdering of millions of Jews legal, was =
the=20
>State right? Even if the majority voted for it?=20
>=20
>Dale Courtney=20
>Moscow, Idaho=20
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>-----Original Message-----=20
>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] =
On=20
>Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam=20
>Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 11:41=20
>To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability=20
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>Anything? You're not saying I claimed that the state can do anything, =
are=20
>you?=20
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>No, the state constitution can't conflict with the United States=20
>Constitution. But certainly Idaho can establish public schools and fund =
>them through taxes. You're not arguing that such a conflict exists, I=20
>assume, since you take the position that nothing in the U.S. =
Constitution=20
>permits the feds from getting into the education business (I hope I am =
not=20
>mistating your position).=20
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>Sunil=20
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> >From: "Dale Courtney"=20
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> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability=20
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> >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:52:47 -0800=20
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> >You wrote: "Since the Idaho Constitution calls for the establishment =
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> >funding of such schools, the state is acting within its lawful =
authority
in=20
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> >doing so."=20
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> >=20
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> >Are you saying that anything the Idaho Constitution establishes is
lawful?=20
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> >=20
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> >You answer my question and I'll answer yours. :-)=20
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> >=20
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> >Dale=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D505591520-13022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D505591520-13022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Let's=20
say that the United States were to pass an amendment to the Federal =
Constitution saying that it was lawful to murder all Jews in the USA.=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D505591520-13022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Would,=20
by passing such a law with a majority vote, make the murdering of =
millions of=20
Jews legal? Would it make it lawful? Would it make it right?=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D505591520-13022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Dale</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Sunil Ramalingam=20
[mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 13 =
February,=20
2003 12:15<BR><B>To:</B> dale@courtneys.us<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Vision2020]=20
re: liquor liability<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P>Dale,</P>
<P>You're not saying this is analagous, are you? But if you =
really want=20
to go there, then if Idaho were to pass legislation similar to that =
passed by=20
the Nazis (And did they pass such legislation? Or did they just =
start=20
killing Jews?), it would run afoul of the federal constitution.</P>
<P>Sunil<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Dale Courtney" <DALE@COURTNEYS.US>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "'Sunil Ramalingam'" <SUNILRAMALINGAM@HOTMAIL.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability=20
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:46:17 -0800=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Sunil,=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Let's back off from the specific and look at the =
general: If=20
the State=20
<DIV></DIV>>passes a law, does that make it lawful?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>For example: it was legal in Germany under Hitler to =
murder the=20
Jews. The=20
<DIV></DIV>>State said that was legal, and the actions were taken.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>By passing a law, making the murdering of millions of =
Jews=20
legal, was the=20
<DIV></DIV>>State right? Even if the majority voted for it?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Dale Courtney=20
<DIV></DIV>>Moscow, Idaho=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----=20
<DIV></DIV>>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On=20
<DIV></DIV>>Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam=20
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 11:41=20
<DIV></DIV>>To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Anything? You're not saying I claimed that the state =
can do=20
anything, are=20
<DIV></DIV>>you?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>No, the state constitution can't conflict with the =
United=20
States=20
<DIV></DIV>>Constitution. But certainly Idaho can establish public =
schools=20
and fund=20
<DIV></DIV>>them through taxes. You're not arguing that such a =
conflict=20
exists, I=20
<DIV></DIV>>assume, since you take the position that nothing in the =
U.S.=20
Constitution=20
<DIV></DIV>>permits the feds from getting into the education =
business (I=20
hope I am not=20
<DIV></DIV>>mistating your position).=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Sunil=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >From: "Dale Courtney"=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >To:=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:52:47 -0800=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >Sunil,=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >You wrote: "Since the Idaho Constitution calls for =
the=20
establishment and=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >funding of such schools, the state is acting =
within its=20
lawful authority in=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >doing so."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >Are you saying that anything the Idaho =
Constitution=20
establishes is lawful?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >You answer my question and I'll answer yours. :-)=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
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<DIV></DIV>> >Dale=20
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