[Vision2020] Fwd: Town hall meeting
Douglas
dougwils@moscow.com
Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:29:16 -0800
>Visionaries,
>
>Allow me to continue to extend a cordial invitation to our town hall
>meeting. December 11, 7 pm, at the Kenworthy. We hope to answer every
>question we can, on the spot, and with opportunity for follow-up
>questions. We will be able to do this without the intervention of print
>media gumming up the works. Actually, that was not fair. The Argonaut and
>the Trib have done a really decent job in this hubbub. But back to the
>town hall meeting, if you have a question, or an objection, please bring
>it. We will address them as best we can, and as cordially as we can.
>
>In his great book Orthodoxy, Chesterton once said, "This began to be
>alarming. It looked not so much as if Christianity was bad enough to
>include any vices, but rather as if any stick was good enough to beat
>Christianity with."
>
>The aptness of this observation, as well as the crying need for Rose to
>change her plans and come to our town hall meeting, is seen in the following:
>
>>Credenda Agenda, which I think of as your baby, carries an article in the
>>current issue under the heading Femina, which positively encourages godly
>>women to expect a divine reward if they rat out their dissenting husbands
>>to the pastor and elders of the church. (This reporting is essential if
>>their husbands are fools, making a stink about the church or, are
>>unrepentant about questioning the decisions of church leadership. And
>>that is different from life under Chairman Mao or Comrade Stalin how? And
>>how desperate are you guys anyhow?)
>
>First, Rose simply made up the stuff about making a stink "about the
>church," and questioning "decisions of church leadership." That was not in
>the column at all. Perhaps Rose has taken a course in research study
>methods from Quinlan and Ramsey. Oops. I really am trying to live up to
>certain exacting scholarship standards I just found out about recently --
>make that Rinlan and Quamsey.
>
>But here is the real issue:
>
>"You Christians teach that wives should submit to their husbands, right?"
>"Right."
>"What if a husband is beating his wife? Then what should she do?"
>
>At this point, this becomes a choose your own adventure novel. Suppose the
>(horrible) answer were:
>
>"Nothing. She should be submissive, and just take it."
>
>At this point the Tolerance Police would set to caterwauling about how
>such Christians hate women. And that caterwauling would not obscure the
>fact that, on this question, they would happen to be right. A blind
>squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. No human authority on earth is
>absolute, and each legitimate authority must defer to other legitimate
>authorities according to their respective spheres. This involves family
>government, church government and civil government. There are times, Rose,
>when a woman should call the cops. There are times when she should call
>her pastor or elders. I am sorry you do not appear to think so. It appears
>that feminism is still evolving.
>
>So if the answer were no, as it was in the Femina column she mentions, and
>the wife urged to take her problem with an abusive husband to the elders,
>the caterwauling ascends yet again. Chairman Mao! Stalin! Returning to the
>quote from Chesterton, it begins to looks as though Christ Church were not
>bad enough to encompass any evil, but rather that any rock is good enough
>to throw at us.
>
>One of the advantages of a town hall meeting is that is should make
>abundantly clear what our differences actually are (and they are
>significant), but it should also make clear that kicking puppies is not
>part of our liturgy. So for those whose minds are already made up, and who
>do not want to be confused with any facts, I hope you enjoy whatever
>alternative activity you select. I would recommend sitting cross-legged on
>the floor, fingers in ears, while singing the national anthem at a medium
>level. "Ohhh, say can you SEEEE . . ." Then, the day after the meeting,
>you can post to this forum to let us all know that you found our arguments
>and answers singularly unconvincing, and that you will see us at the SUB.
>
>Bill London asked Roy Atwood about his quoted comment that "this booklet
>was not published as a scholarly work." I'll let Roy address whether the
>Daily News got the quote right (imagine . . . its easy if you try), and,
>if so, what he meant by it. But please allow my take on it for a minute.
>Our booklet was obviously not a scholarly work by local professional
>historians because we spelled all the names right, quoted our sources
>accurately, did not make up facts to suit ourselves, did not post our work
>on a government web site illegally, and we are willing to engage in debate
>with those who challenge our work. Consequently, we admit with shame that
>our booklet did not meet the Exacting Standards established by the
>Quinlan/Ramsey piece ("copyrighted 2003, no thinking about this work
>without permission from the authors!").
>
>Debi Robinson-Smith takes umbrage at the point we made re: "fakers,
>humorless, joyless, and encouragers of racism and violence." But we were
>not maintaining that every last secularist is humorless, etc. We do
>believe that the logic of secularism tends that way, and that multitudes
>of secularists have followed this logic out as evidenced by the general
>howling in this controversy. Exceptions? Sure -- Jim Fisher of the Trib.
>Carl and Andreas on this list, et al. But we reiterate that the
>fundamentalism of the left is not very attractive, rejoices in pettiness,
>hesitates not when it comes to circulating a lie (and when caught in a
>lie, simply moves on to the next one), and likes to initiate pogroms in
>the name of inclusive diversity. Have the deadly earnest "Not in Our Town"
>folks picked out an appropriate colored shape for us to have to pin on our
>clothes yet? I suggest a big "I" for Intolerant.
>
>We would love to see any of you at the town hall meeting. Really. Melynda,
>hope your kids get better. Hope you can make it.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Douglas Wilson
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