[Vision2020] For the joy of Ralph Nielsen.

[Joshua Gibbs]

Ralph,

I'm going to ask you now, for the fourth time, if I believe what you 
believe, how it will make my life more joyful? Please tell me about the 
happiness that your beliefs had gotten you. The fact you don't respond to 
these makes me think that there isn't a really good answer. Please, prove me 
wrong. Tell me about the joy of cyncism. Let's say that I'm in it for 
whatever I can get out of it. Tell me about how evolution can make my life 
better. I want to know what survival of the fittest has in store for my old 
age. I want to know how Darwin can make my marriage better. But not just 
evolution, I want to know about what your life philosophy has gotten you. 
And again, don't tell me what's wrong with Christianity, I already know. 
Self-deception, organized religion, forcing your beliefs on others, and so 
on and so forth. You've already told me. I want to know what's so great 
about what you believe.

A thousand dollars,
Josh




>From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Gay marriage
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:30:48 -0700
>
>>From: Jacob Spencer <spencerjt@wlu.edu>
>>Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003  8:53:21 PM US/Pacific
>>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>>Subject: [Vision2020] Gay marriage: could we stop shouting and listen?
>>
>>I will allow John and Donovan to continue sticking their tongues out at
>>each other in the corner.  For the rest of the presumably sane people on
>>the list, I will attempt to translate previous discussion.  Doug Wilson
>>asks "By what standard does a state regulate marriage?  Pragmatics,
>>ethics, dice rolling, tradition, etc.?"  Ralph Nielson answers, "you're
>>illogical, how can you ask a question of me, Moscow's leading atheist
>>and tolerant Christian-hater? How illogical."  Melynda Huskey answers
>>"I'm gay."  Doug Wilson replies, "what is your standard?" Ms. Huskey
>>replies, "I'm gay."
>>
>>So here is the question, by what standard do you include gay marriage
>>and leave out polygamy, bestiality, NAMBLA, etc?  Most say pragmatics,
>>well problems can be worked around.  Some say ethics, well, whose?  Some
>>say "Because I am Ralph Nielson and I have read the Bible" well, hmm.
>>So, what's your standard?  Shouting may now resume.
>
>RALPH NIELSEN  Aug. 6
>	Yet another illogical letter typical of Doug Wilson and his disciples. Let 
>me ask the Wilson gang, "By what standard do you include bisexual monogamy 
>and leave out bisexual polygamy?" Polygamy is biblical, too, as I pointed 
>out earlier. You can be both biblical and logical at the same time if you 
>try.
>	Jacob Spence also misrepresented me. I did not just say "How can you ask a 
>question of me?" I think I presented a logical argument that Jacob wants to 
>ignore.
>	Name-calling is another admission of defeat. I know "atheist" is a swear 
>word in the fundamentalist vocabulary, that's why Jacob uses it. But in 
>this case, it is completely irrelevant. But thanks for the compliment 
>anyway, Jacob. I didn't know I was "Moscow's leading atheist and tolerant 
>[sic] Christian-hater." As a matter of fact, I have many Christian friends, 
>including clergy.
>	Last and least, my name is Danish, like that of the TV rating company. 
>Even Christians spell the second syllable "...sen."
>
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