[Vision2020] Douglas Stambler posts...
Dale Courtney
dale@courtneys.us
Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:25:45 -0700
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Bill London, et al:
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What I think is missing in this discussion is the fact that some =
people's
only purpose in joining a list such as ours is to be disruptive. They =
have
no desire to interact with either ideas or with the future of Moscow. =
The
sole purpose is to cause havoc, to make ad hominem attacks, and to make
slanderous accusations (or is it libel since it's in "print"?).=20
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Unlike some, I disagree that ignoring such a problem will make the =
problem
stop or go away. Such people get their jollies by being disruptive, =
abusive,
and shifting the entire conversation in their direction (I counted 26 =
emails
just about his behavior in the last 24 hours).=20
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As Bill Strand said, it is fascinating that people are willing to =
tolerate
such behavior. Must be another sign of our postmodern times: the =
inability
to discern the difference between dealing with bad behavior and =
disagreeable
ideas.=20
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We've addressed the behavior issue once before when he was deleting =
people's
accounts (then lied about it). We'll be addressing it again in 6 weeks =
if
it's not dealt with now.=20
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That's my 2 cents worth.=20
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Best,
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] =
On
Behalf Of Bill London
Sent: Friday, 11 April, 2003 08:19
To: Cjsnightclub@aol.com
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Douglas Stambler posts...
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you ask if Stambler was "guilt" of unsubscribing a group of V2020 =
members.=20
Yes. He was caught red-handed.=20
The wizards at First Step noticed a group of "unsubscribes" coming in. =
They
got suspicious. They figured out that all of those unsubscribe posts =
were
from one computer (at a UI computer lab). They called that lab and =
(since
they knew the lab manager) asked who was at that computer.=20
The answer: Douglas Stambler. He was caught in the act of unsubscribing
someone else from the V2020 list.=20
BL=20
ps. Such an act is no longer possible, since FSR has since changed the
software. Now, a password is required to access any account.=20
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Cjsnightclub@aol.com wrote:=20
If Douglas Stambler was found "guilty" of the "non-subscriber" incident =
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then he broke all the rules!=20
Does anyone know for sure Douglas was behind such a disastrously deed?=20
Shelley
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Bill=20
London, <EM>et al</EM>:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>What I=20
think is missing in this discussion is the fact that some people's only =
purpose=20
in joining a list such as ours is to be disruptive. They have no desire =
to=20
interact with either ideas or with the future of Moscow. The sole =
purpose is to=20
cause havoc, to make ad hominem attacks, and to make slanderous =
accusations (or=20
is it libel since it's in "print"?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Unlike=20
some, I disagree that ignoring such a problem will make the problem stop =
or go=20
away. Such people get their jollies by being disruptive, abusive, and =
shifting=20
the entire conversation in their direction (I counted 26 emails =
<U>just</U>=20
about his behavior in the last 24 hours). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>As=20
Bill Strand said, it is fascinating that people are willing to tolerate =
such=20
behavior. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Must be another sign of our postmodern times: =
the inability=20
to discern the difference between dealing with bad behavior and =
disagreeable=20
ideas. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>We've=20
addressed the behavior issue once before when he was deleting people's =
accounts=20
(then lied about it). We'll be addressing it again in 6 weeks if =
it's not=20
dealt with now. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>That's=20
my 2 cents worth. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D135220518-11042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Dale</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Bill London<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 11 April, 2003 =
08:19<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Cjsnightclub@aol.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [Vision2020] Douglas Stambler posts...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>S- =
<BR>you ask=20
if Stambler was "guilt" of unsubscribing a group of V2020 members.=20
<BR>Yes. He was caught red-handed. <BR>The wizards at First Step =
noticed=20
a group of "unsubscribes" coming in. They got suspicious. =
They=20
figured out that all of those unsubscribe posts were from one computer =
(at a=20
UI computer lab). They called that lab and (since they knew the =
lab=20
manager) asked who was at that computer. <BR>The answer: Douglas =
Stambler. He=20
was caught in the act of unsubscribing someone else from the V2020 =
list.=20
<BR>BL <BR>ps. Such an act is no longer possible, since FSR has since =
changed=20
the software. Now, a password is required to access any account. =
<P>---- <BR>Cjsnightclub@aol.com wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>If =
Douglas Stambler=20
was found "guilty" of the "non-subscriber" incident - then he broke =
all the=20
rules!</FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>Does anyone know for sure =
Douglas was=20
behind such a disastrously deed?</FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1>Shelley</FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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