[Vision2020] Saint Politically Correct or Democratic Discussi on?

[John Harrell]

Mr. Tom Hansen,

You said "cannot be tolerated."

I thought this was a board of dedicate to sharing and tolerance.

And now you are telling me to be "intolerant!?"

I am so confused.

Cheers!
John Harrell

--- Thomas Hansen <tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu> wrote:
> I agree with you 100%, Mr. Moffett.
> 
> The very foundation for our democracy is found in the first amendment and
> the people's willingness to express their opinions (pro and con) without
> fear of reprisals.  To silence the voices, simply because you do not like
> what you are hearing, cannot be tolerated.
> 
> I strongly encourage debate.  As one famous American stated, "I may not
> agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death your right to
> say it."
> 
> God bless the critic.  Where would this country be without him/her.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow
> 
> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean that they AREN'T after you."
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Moffett [mailto:ted_moffett@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:27 PM
> To: dougwils@moscow.com; jpool@moscow.com
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Saint Politically Correct or Democratic
> Discussion?
> 
> 
> 
> Visionaries:
> 
> With an open un-moderated internet "talk" forum, it is inevitable that the 
> content will not make everyone happy, will sometimes be in bad taste, 
> insulting or felt to be a waste of time, etc.  But considering the potential
> 
> for abuse, I think vision2020 is rather tame!
> 
> The suggestion that vision2020 posts stray from the intended discussion 
> theme about Moscow's community direction, development etc. into more 
> abstract discussions of religion and values, or national and international 
> topics, or personal attacks or ego battles, is an accurate observation, but 
> often these posts do relate to the intended theme in fundamental ways.
> 
> And to suggest that all egos and personal attacks be purged is to suggest 
> vision2020 should be moderated by Saint Politically Correct.
> 
> Debates on values and their source, whether spiritual or secular, 
> libertarian capitalist or socialist, environmentalist or industrialist, are 
> the basis, often not fully explored, underlying how decisions will be made 
> on funding public education, obnoxious billboards on the Troy Hwy., 
> industrial development on the outskirts of Moscow, conservation of water, 
> how much we pay for our electric bills, how polluted Moscow's air will get 
> with 18 mpg SUVs increasing in number, whether our local police harass 
> citizens to force entry into their homes, whether a women can sunbathe at 
> the city park with her top off without being arrested, etc.
> 
> As far as the weariness induced by using the delete key on unwanted 
> vision2020 posts, someone needs a vacation.  It takes all of 15 seconds to 
> delete the ALL the vision2020 posts on an average day.
> Consider what would happen if someone really wanted to spam the vision2020 
> list, there could be hundreds of posts in one day!  I have never seen this 
> happen in the past 6 months.  Has it ever?
> 
> The noise of public discussion in a democracy is not the tidy, logical, 
> polite and always on topic discourse that some appear to want.  I think some
> 
> of the complaints about vision2020 content are un-democratic in intent: they
> 
> wish to silence voices who have a right to speak who they find disagreeable.
> 
> I feel grateful that there is a public forum such as vision2020 that is so 
> open and freewheeling, and fully expect a rough and tumble and sometimes 
> irrelevant or rude content.  At least we are all protected behind keyboards 
> in different rooms, etc.  Some of the vision2020 discussions held in person 
> at a local bar could end up with assault and battery charges.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Douglas <dougwils@moscow.com>
> >To: vision2020@moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Debate and dialogue
> >Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:45:30 -0800
> >
> >Dear visionaries,
> >
> >John Pool laments the fact that vision 20/20 has strayed rather far from 
> >the ideal of being a place for "community dialogue." This regrettable state
> 
> >of affairs was apparently caused by the ongoing reluctance of some to cease
> 
> >with the community dialogue already.
> >
> >Cordially,
> >
> >Douglas Wilson
> >
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