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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dear Deborah,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Racking up fines or fees and then dropping them all into a charge from the Security Deposit is problematic as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Often I see property managers deduct hundreds of dollars in accumulated late fees from the deposit when a lease is over. Not only does this seem wrong but then the overage if any gets sent off to a collection agency where the tenant’s credit is damaged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My feeling on noncompliances is that they should be dealt with using the Seven Day Notice to Cure as has been the case for decades.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>For example, I see fees and fines if there is an unauthorized occupant found on the premises or a dog found on the premises even for a few days. How do they justify picking an amount of say $500 for this? The law allows for the Seven Day Notice to Cure. Something seems off with a “fee” or a “fine” in addition to the fact that it is a lease noncompliance. Especially if that fee or fine will be carried through to the end of the lease and sucked out of the Security Deposit. If acceptance of rent after a noncompliance can create a potential waiver argument, is not the fine or fee possibly waived as well? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Harry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:red'><a href="https://evict.com/cdcresourcesmarch">UPDATED RESOURCES ON CDC ORDER - MARCH 31 EXTENSION</a> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>LAW OFFICES OF <br>HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.<br>PH: 1 800 253 8428<br>FAX: 1 800 367 9038<br>"Serving the Property Management Professional"<br>Website: </span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.evict.com/"><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>www.evict.com</span></b></a></span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <br>Email: </span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:harry@evict.com"><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>harry@evict.com</span></b></a></span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 align=left width="100%" style='width:100.0%;margin-left:6.75pt;margin-right:6.75pt;margin-bottom:7.75pt'><tr style='height:19.9pt'><td width="16%" rowspan=2 style='width:16.3%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:19.9pt'><table class=MsoTableGrid border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=360 style='width:3.75in;border-collapse:collapse;border:none'><tr><td width=64 valign=top style='width:48.3pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:margin;mso-element-top:4.55pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heist-Weisse-Wolk-PA/343965575625870"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=37 height=37 style='width:.3854in;height:.3854in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image004.png@01D6F55C.8E3124B0"></span></a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=296 valign=top style='width:221.7pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:margin;mso-element-top:4.55pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Visit us on Facebook</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td><td width="82%" valign=bottom style='width:82.74%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:19.9pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:19.85pt'><td width="82%" valign=bottom style='width:82.74%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:19.85pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:margin;mso-element-top:4.55pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>RPPTL Real Estate Leasing Committee<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RPPTL Leasing Committee] Fines and Fees<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think part of the problem is that when the tenant does these things and an Association or Vendor contacts the Landlord because of non-compliance with rules there is a real cost to Landlords (many if not most of whom do not have management companies on flat fees to handle this.) And, as noted in prior response, sometimes there is a real cost such as a missed appointment fee or an Association fine- but even if it is responding to the Association letter that response is because the tenant breached the terms of their lease so the question is who pays for that- the tenant that breached or the Landlord who has to expend time (which is money) and sometimes money to deal with it.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Most leases have the ability to fee shift if an attorney is involved in any form of enforcement. If there is nothing that allows for a more minor charge to be made, then the Landlord is going to end up sending each one of these to legal and billing the tenants for the necessity of handling these issues which are not "no foul" if they take up Landlord time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A piece of me likes having the Tenant know that if they do something specific that the wrong will be met with a fine or a fee and set out what that is. It makes it less subjective and enforces the seriousness of following rules. If it is always "no harm no foul" then the tenant can just ignore the rules and inconvenience the landlord repeatedly. I do not see the concept of specific fines or fees as impermissible or illegal so long as they bear a reasonable and rational relationship to the costs incurred from the breaches.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My client's will ALWAYS bill out of pocket things like Association fines that were levied or missed appointment fees. Where it comes to the other, there is usually a warning letter the first time with included language that the next letter will come with the legal responsibility for the costs. I may talk to them about a schedule of fines/fees to be applied.... hadn't considered that before! Ultimately, the likelihood is that they will just erode security deposits.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Deborah Marks, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>18495 S. Dixie Highway<br>Ste 134<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Miami, FL 33157<br>305-372-9400<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:deborahmarkslaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">deborahmarkslaw@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:deborah@deborahmarks.law" target="_blank">deborah@deborahmarks.law</a><br><a href="mailto:synergy928@aol.com" target="_blank">synergy928@aol.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:20 PM RPPTL Real Estate Leasing Committee <<a href="mailto:landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org">landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There’s a big move nationwide to put all kinds of fines and fees in a residential lease.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Don’t pick up your dog’s poop, a fine. Miss an appointment with a repair person, a fee. Tamper with the smoke detectors, a fine. Leave your garbage cans out, a fine. HOA writes a letter to the owner, a fine. Parking violation, a fine. Bring a pet on the property, a fine. We have to serve you a Three Day, a fee. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>What do you all feel about the legality of fees and fines?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Florida law does not really address them and rarely have I seen them in residential leases except for late fees and bad check fees.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are a few states that specifically disallow fees and fines. The whole property management industry seems to be pushing the envelope and clients ask me WHY something is not legal and I’m basically at a loss.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>How would you argue for or against a fee or fine in court? I can’t stand them but the clients really push it. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Harry</span><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:red'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>LAW OFFICES OF <br>HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.<br>PH: 1 800 253 8428<br>FAX: 1 800 367 9038<br>"Serving the Property Management Professional"<br>Website: </span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.evict.com/" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>www.evict.com</span></b></a></span><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <br>Email: </span></b><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:harry@evict.com" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>harry@evict.com</span></b></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 align=left width="100%" style='width:100.0%;margin-left:6.75pt;margin-right:6.75pt;margin-bottom:5.5pt'><tr style='height:19.9pt'><td width="16%" rowspan=2 style='width:16.3%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:19.9pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=360 style='width:3.75in;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=64 valign=top style='width:48.3pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly'><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heist-Weisse-Wolk-PA/343965575625870" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=37 height=37 style='width:.3854in;height:.3854in' id="gmail-m_698019337962094770Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.png@01D6F55B.3EFD6030"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=296 valign=top style='width:221.7pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Visit us on Facebook</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></td><td width="82%" valign=bottom style='width:82.74%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:19.9pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:19.85pt'><td width="82%" valign=bottom style='width:82.74%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt;height:19.85pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%;mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:9.0pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. 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