<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I disagree about the double rent. It applies from when the tenant holds over after termination, regardless of the reason. I have never had a court rule otherwise.<div class="">Next, to be prudent, I would plead each termination separately in a separate count. I do not see the down side in doing so. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My clients only serve both notices if they want the tenant out and don’t care if they pay. If the tenant gets both, the tenant won’t pay because what delinquent tenant would pay the three day knowing they were terminated anyway? My landlord clients do this when there is some issue with the three day, such as a dispute about the amount of rent or utilities, or whatever, that could delay an eviction on a three day, or any complaint about the landlord’s maintenance that could lead to a defense. Next, if the tenant doesn’t pay regular rent, what is the likelihood that the landlord is going to see any double rent, unless there is a spectacularly solvent guarantor? Landlords have to be realistic here. A piece of paper is not money. The landlord has to be fully educated and committed to bother to go through with the damages side, and the money should be worth it. It rarely is in the run of the mill case.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">By the time my clients want to get rid of a tenant, it is usually well beyond the value of one month of rent. The landlord just wants the problem gone, and is willing to make the trade. In any case, it is never a bad idea to be conservative and prudent, and plead everything separately and limit any potential defenses.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">If your eviction / possession count is based on the 3-day notice then the tenancy was terminated pursuant to the 3-day notice, I don't know that you would be entitled to the double rent as a holdover, even if you waint until the next rental period.
If you plan on waiting for the next rental period anyway, in order to make the claim for double rent I would just use the 15-day notice to avoid any confusion defense
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<div class="">I have used the two notices together for landlords that want possession no matter what, landlord serves 3-day notice and hopes tenant does not pay so that eviction can start right away, and also serves a 15-day notice just in case payment is made,</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Mine usually do not do them together for that reason.
<div class="">Note that the 15 day is not a real 15 day. It is 15 days prior to the next time rent is due. So for March, the ship has sailed.</div>
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<div class="">The Notices aren't mutually exclusive. I think it's the smart move by any landlord to serve a 3day. Maybe he gets paid. Then before the 15 day notice period to serve the non-renewal. Serving them together just insures no rent payment. My clients don't
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<div class="">Landlord wants to give simultaneous 3 day and a 15 day notices, and then wait to file for the eviction in the next month to try and get double rent (In other words a complaint for an eviction based on violation of 3-day notice in Count I, but a damages
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