[RPPTL LandTen] Transfer Case from Circuit to County
Harry Heist
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Fri May 9 10:33:11 PDT 2014
I would NEVER sign a Three Day Notice. I would only have the landlord’s name and address on it. Why have to argue about whether or not you are a debt collector? Why make the notice confusing to the tenant with the 30 day baloney? Never.
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From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Transfer Case from Circuit to County
Personally I don't believe the FDCPA applies to a 3 day notice situation, however, I have been including the FDCPA Notice on any 3 day notice that I prepare for a few years now just in case.
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On Friday, May 9, 2014 1:07 PM, Leonard Cabral <leonardcabral at lenslaw.com> wrote:
Maybe.
I have attached two cases for guidance. The key in my opinion is if you regularly files evictions. Again in my opinion Harry would qualify as a debt collector under the FDCPA.
From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 11:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Transfer Case from Circuit to County
If a three day notice is signed by the attorney, does it have to comply with the Federal Fair Debt Collection Act Section 809(a) requiring a 30 day notice?
From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Manuel Farach
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:17 AM
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I don’t like to file those but yes, we may have to
Thanks
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From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 8:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Transfer Case from Circuit to County
File a 57.107(1) motion and see what the lawyer/tenant does. Remember you must send the motion to the tenant and hold for 21 days before filing with the court.
From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Manuel Farach
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:54 PM
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Greg,
I’ll have to read those cases as I was relying on Old Port Cove (copy attached) which reads:
[10] Headnote Citing References Where they discuss the rationale, courts adopting the majority view generally conclude that an option or right of first refusal creates an interest in property. Ferrero, 536 A.2d at 1139 (“As rights of first refusal are interests in property, the great majority of American jurisdictions have applied the Rule Against Perpetuities to such rights.”); see, e.g., Stuart Kingston, 596 A.2d at 1384; Gore, 867 P.2d at 338; Martin, 348 N.E.2d at 309; Pace, 347 So.2d at 1317; Melcher, 435 P.2d at 114; McHugh, 380 S.E.2d at 874; Smith, 296 S.E.2d at 854. In Florida, however, an option does not create a legal or equitable interest in property. As we explained over fifty years ago, “until an optionee exercises the right to purchase in accordance with the terms of his option he has no estate, either legal or equitable, in the *1287 lands involved.” Gautier v. Lapof, 91 So.2d 324, 326 (Fla.1956). We have since reiterated that principle. See Leon County Educ. Facilities Auth. v. Hartsfield, 698 So.2d 526, 530 (Fla.1997) (“[T]his Court has long held that the status of parties to the ordinary lease with an option to purchase remains that of landlord and tenant until the option is exercised and that the lessee has no equitable interest in the property.”); BancFlorida v. Hayward, 689 So.2d 1052, 1054 (Fla.1997) ( “Under Florida law, an option to purchase property creates neither an equitable interest nor an equitable remedy.”).
As these cases show, Florida law has consistently held that an option does not create an interest in land. Therefore, a right of first refusal—which may or may not ripen into an option depending on whether the owner decides to sell, see, e.g., Pearson, 497 So.2d at 900—cannot create an interest in land, either.
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Section 68.03 of the Fla. Real Estate Transactions (Boyer) treatise indicates that an option to purchase real estate is subject to the statute of frauds, citing Minton v. Spivey, 505 So.2d 476 (Fla. 5th DCA 1987). Other cases taking that position are McCollum Aviation, Inc. v. CIM Associates, Inc., 446 F. Supp. 511 (S.D. Fla. 1978) and Kamil Gowni & Shenody, Inc. v. BP Corporation North America, Inc., 2003 WL 24051561, 2003 US Dist. LEXIS 26843.
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From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Manuel Farach
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 1:57 PM
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Arlene,
The case is more complicated than it seems because the exercise of an option (if one does exist in this case) may create an equitable conversion of the oral contract to purchase. Again, this is a little complicated but Florida actually follows the minority rule and holds that an option to purchase is not an interest in real property. If it’s not an interest in real property, then I don’t believe the Statute of Frauds applies (but I’d love for you to show me otherwise)
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From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Arlene C. Udick
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 1:46 PM
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Dear Manny,
I may be missing something, but I believe the 2 claims are unrelated and that you can go forward with the eviction, notwithstanding the alleged oral option to purchase. It seems that the circuit court case has a statute of frauds issue, and unless the lawyer took some action relying on the option to purchase, the case should be dismissed for failure to state a claim since there is no writing to enforce the option. Arlene
From: landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Manuel Farach
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:05 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] Transfer Case from Circuit to County
Does anyone have case law/practical suggestions for this fact situation?
My client gives notice to leave/files for eviction against his month to month tenant as my client has a buyer for the property. I file for eviction in county court, but tenant (who is a lawyer) files suit in circuit court claiming he has an oral option to purchase the property by matching the price.
Any case law on this? I’m drawing a blank on my research as it appears to be under Rule 1.060 but there are no cases on this narrow issue
Thanks in advance
Manny
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