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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#000000" vlink="#000000"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the lienor can prepare the lien and the lienor is not an attorney, is that not also the unlicensed practice of law?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When you say that a notice company prepares the lien, is the lienor or the notice company executing/signing the lien? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It would seem to me that a lienor could have a 12 year old handwrite the lien but if the lienor executes/signs/and causes it to be recorded it, then the lienor prepared it and is bound by it for better or worse. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In my opinion, notice companies serve a valid purpose in that they facilitate payment to many lienors who otherwise would not even know or understand how to perfect lien/bond rights. Inasmuch as the lien law’s purpose is to protect the little guy and ensure payment, if in the end, the lienor is executing the lien, authorizing the service of a notice to owner/contractor/non-payment and causing the lien to be recorded, I am not really sure why this is a problem. I am also not sure what the goal is from those opposed to notice companies. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Obviously if a lien is defective, inflated, untimely, or just plain wrong, etc, the lienor faces a fraudulent lien defense or counterclaim and will certainly not be able to blame the notice company for its blunder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Daniel R. Vega, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light","sans-serif";font-variant:small-caps;color:#365F91;text-shadow:auto'>Taylor Vega, P.A. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>121 Alhambra Plaza, Suite 1604<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@taylorvega.com"><u><span style='color:blue'>dvega@taylorvega.com</span></u></a></span><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#365F91'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=1229 style='width:922.1pt;background:#999999;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=1229 valign=top style='width:922.1pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:6.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#31849B'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Kalmanson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 02, 2012 1:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> CHernicz@herniczlegal.com; constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Claims of Lien Drafted by NoticeCompanies<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Have you investigated the the unlicensed practice of law issue? You may find language in the reported opinion on preparation of notices to owner interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Barry Kalmanson<br><a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com"><span style='color:windowtext'>bkpa1@aol.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq <<a href="mailto:CHernicz@herniczlegal.com"><span style='color:windowtext'>CHernicz@herniczlegal.com</span></a>><br>To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw' <<a href="mailto:constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></a>><br>Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 12:56 pm<br>Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Claims of Lien Drafted by Notice Companies<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_95bf2c66-02cb-44c5-9a72-74afcf538c8e"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The 2007 changes to chapter 713 included a change to 713.08 that states--</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>(2) The claim of lien may be prepared by the lienor or the lienor’s employee or attorney and shall be signed and sworn to or affirmed by the lienor or the lienor’s agent acquainted with the facts stated therein.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>My understanding was that this was intended to prohibit notice companies from drafting claims of lien. The result has been that the notice companies are still drafting the liens but no longer putting their information in the “Prepared by and return to” block. I’ve had several problems in the past few weeks with liens improperly drafted, and in one case signed by the notice company as “agent” of the contractor and recorded without the contractor’s knowledge or approval (which almost blew up a settlement deal we had worked out). What can/should be done to stop this??</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Chuck</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.<br></span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar<br></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.<br>15854 Bent Creek Road <br>Wellington, FL 33414 <br>Telephone: (561) 753-7511 <br>Facsimile: (561) 753-7082 <br><a href="mailto:Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com"><span style='color:windowtext'>Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="AOLMsgPart_3_95bf2c66-02cb-44c5-9a72-74afcf538c8e"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>constructionlaw mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/constructionlaw"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/constructionlaw</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div></div></body></html>