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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="498015817-12042012"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"> The failure to obtain a building permit (where the scope required it) would be an action or omission subjecting the contractor to administrative action
against his contracting license pursuant to Ch. 489 and doubtlessly local municipal or county codes as well. I am not aware of any authority and don't believe that the failure to have a permit disqualifies a contractor from recording and enforcing a lien.
Many muncipalities place the burden on the Owner to have a permit for the work and the Owner in your case may have some exposure to the local building department for contracting work without a permit.</font></span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] [RPPTL - QUESTION: no building permit....<br>
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If general contractor fails to obtain a building permit (at owner's request because it was a small project at a home and the homeowner did not want to wait for or pay for the permit) and owner does not pay, can GC file a lien and foreclose?</div>
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I read the following and I am still confused:</div>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">§ 553.79.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px" mce_style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">Permits; applications; issuance; inspections [Effective until July 1, 2012]</span></div>
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</span>(1) After the effective date of the Florida Building Code adopted as herein provided, it shall be unlawful for any person, firm, corporation, or governmental entity to construct, erect, alter, modify, repair, or demolish any building within this state
without first obtaining a permit therefor from the appropriate enforcing agency or from such persons as may, by appropriate resolution or regulation of the authorized state or local enforcing agency, be delegated authority to issue such permits, upon the payment
of such reasonable fees adopted by the enforcing agency. The enforcing agency is empowered to revoke any such permit upon a determination by the agency that the construction, erection, alteration, modification, repair, or demolition of the building for which
the permit was issued is in violation of, or not in conformity with, the provisions of the Florida Building Code. Installation, replacement, removal, or metering of any load management control device is exempt from and shall not be subject to the permit process
and fees otherwise required by this section.</span></div>
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553.84. Statutory civil action </span><br style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; OUTLINE-STYLE: none; FONT: 13px Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" mce_style="outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; ">
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Notwithstanding any other remedies available, any person or party, in an individual capacity or on behalf of a class of persons or parties, damaged as a result of a violation of this part or the Florida Building Code, has a cause of action in any court of
competent jurisdiction against the person or party who committed the violation; however, if the person or party obtains the required building permits and any local government or public agency with authority to enforce the Florida Building Code approves the
plans, if the construction project passes all required inspections under the code, and if there is no personal injury or damage to property other than the property that is the subject of the permits, plans, and inspections, this section does not apply unless
the person or party knew or should have known that the violation existed.</span></div>
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and <u>Comptech v. Milam Commerce</u>: 711 So.2d 1255 (Fla. 3rd DCA, 1998) which says no statutory cause of action for violating 553.79 under 553.84 because it is barred by economic loss if construction done under a contract....</div>
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Date: Thu, April 12, 2012 11:55 am<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:fred.dudley@hklaw.com" target="_blank">fred.dudley@hklaw.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [RPPTL-constructionlaw] ABA - Construction Law Forum<O:P></O:P></span></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" class="MsoNormal">As I requested during yesterday meeting, attached from Cary Wright is a list of the 12 divisions of the Forum, which also reflects the members of each division’s Steering Committee. Can you find the one Arnie serves
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" class="MsoNormal">It’s amazing the number of Florida attorneys (and our CLC members) who are active in this Forum, but with George Myer as chair, we should get MORE active.<O:P></O:P></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" class="MsoNormal">How about picking one you like and letting us know??<O:P></O:P></div>
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