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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#244061">A lien requires an improvement and a contract. Was the
<i>property</i> actually improved if the plans were not approved, the work does not pass code and is subject to demolition? Is there a contract if the subject of the agreement was illegal? Was there a written contract, perhaps with an arbitration provision?
Unjust enrichment might work, if the owner keeps the benefit, but I would not file a lien because the risk of paying fees is too great.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT","serif";color:#17365D">Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Lawyer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>mromm@rommlaw.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RPPTL constructionlaw<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] [RPPTL - QUESTION: no building permit....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Does anybody know the answer to this question:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">If general contractor fails to obtain a building permit (at owner's request because it was a small project at a home and the homeowner did not want to wait for or pay for the permit)
and owner does not pay, can GC file a lien and foreclose?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I read the following and I am still confused:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">§ 553.79. Permits; applications; issuance; inspections [Effective until July 1, 2012]</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> (1) After the effective date of the Florida Building Code adopted as herein provided, it shall be unlawful for any person, firm, corporation, or governmental entity to construct, erect, alter,
modify, repair, or demolish any building within this state without first obtaining a permit therefor from the appropriate enforcing agency or from such persons as may, by appropriate resolution or regulation of the authorized state or local enforcing agency,
be delegated authority to issue such permits, upon the payment of such reasonable fees adopted by the enforcing agency. The enforcing agency is empowered to revoke any such permit upon a determination by the agency that the construction, erection, alteration,
modification, repair, or demolition of the building for which the permit was issued is in violation of, or not in conformity with, the provisions of the Florida Building Code. Installation, replacement, removal, or metering of any load management control device
is exempt from and shall not be subject to the permit process and fees otherwise required by this section.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white">§ 553.84. Statutory civil action
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<span style="background:white"> Notwithstanding any other remedies available, any person or party, in an individual capacity or on behalf of a class of persons or parties, damaged as a result of a violation of this part or the Florida Building Code, has a
cause of action in any court of competent jurisdiction against the person or party who committed the violation; however, if the person or party obtains the required building permits and any local government or public agency with authority to enforce the Florida
Building Code approves the plans, if the construction project passes all required inspections under the code, and if there is no personal injury or damage to property other than the property that is the subject of the permits, plans, and inspections, this
section does not apply unless the person or party knew or should have known that the violation existed.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">and
<u>Comptech v. Milam Commerce</u>: 711 So.2d 1255 (Fla. 3rd DCA, 1998) which says no statutory cause of action for violating 553.79 under 553.84 because it is barred by economic loss if construction done under a contract....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Help?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Michael Romm</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Phone: (954) 557-8002</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Fax: (954) 208-0022</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] ABA - Construction Law Forum<br>
From: "Michael Kamprath" <<a href="mailto:Michael.Kamprath@thresherpa.com"><span style="color:windowtext">Michael.Kamprath@thresherpa.com</span></a>><br>
Date: Thu, April 12, 2012 11:55 am<br>
To: "'RPPTL constructionlaw'" <<a href="mailto:constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org"><span style="color:windowtext">constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">For all the members who wish to get active in the ABA Forum on the Construction Industry, I would encourage you, if you are not already, to join the ABA. Membership
is currently free through August 31 along with membership in one Section or Forum. You can do this by going to this site:
<a href="http://joinaba.org/200916738" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">http://joinaba.org/200916738</span></u></a> Or by calling 1-800-285-2221 and mention promotion code RMM11MRRC. Once you join the Section or Forum, you will have the opportunity
to join a Division or Committee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Thresher & Thresher, P.A.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">400 North Tampa Street,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Tampa, Florida 33602<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Phone: 813 229 7744<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Facsimile: 813 228 0367<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org"><u><span style="color:blue">constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></u></a> [<a href="mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org"><u><span style="color:blue">mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></u></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Kramer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RPPTL constructionlaw'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] ABA - Construction Law Forum</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Division 5. Contract Negotiations, Performance and Admin.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Highest regards,
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<a href="mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></u></a> [<a href="mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</span></u></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:fred.dudley@hklaw.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">fred.dudley@hklaw.com</span></u></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:45 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [RPPTL-constructionlaw] ABA - Construction Law Forum</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">As I requested during yesterday meeting, attached from Cary Wright is a list of the 12 divisions of the Forum, which also reflects the members of each division’s Steering Committee.
Can you find the one Arnie serves on? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">It’s amazing the number of Florida attorneys (and our CLC members) who are active in this Forum, but with George Myer as chair, we should get MORE active.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">How about picking one you like and letting us know??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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