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size=2 face=Arial> The radical part of the new language is that it would
make the owner liable personally for the non-privity lienor's attorney's
fees as well. While owners have had exposure, under limited circumstances,
to non-privity lienors making a claim for unjust enrichment, that common law
claim did not include atty's fees.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-us><B>Michael R. Gibbons (<A
href="http://lowndes-law.com/our-people/michael-r-gibbons">Bio</A>)<BR>Shareholder<BR></B></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT color=#008000 size=2>Lowndes, Drosdick, Doster, Kantor &
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color=#008000 size=2>Orlando, FL 32801<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Weintraub, Lee<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 11, 2011 1:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
RPPTL constructionlaw<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Lien Law
Legislative Proposal<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641460617-11072011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I have to say, I also agree with Michael's concerns.
Although I think the SOL issue can be fixed by deleting the reference to the
GC's last day of work in 95.11, the change to 85.021 is more problematic.
I never really understood that statute and when Larry Leiby told me about his
interpretation that it could create liability from an owner to a non-privity
sub, I still didn't see it. However, after reading Michael's comments, I'm
concerned about making this statute clearer, with the end result being a more
certain liability from an owner to a non-privity sub outside the scope of the
Lien Law. I'm going to have to look at this harder and, if I remain
uncomfortable, I'll have to contest this at the upcoming RPPTL executive council
meeting.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Gibbons, Michael<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 11, 2011 1:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
RPPTL constructionlaw<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Lien Law
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=043292016-11072011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial> I could not make the call today but write
to express my views on the proposed legislative changes. The proposed
changes to Ch. 85 (dealing with Owner's exposure to personal judgments on claims
brought by non-privity claimants) and Ch. 95 (dropping the one year SOL for all
bonds) are problematic for following reasons:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=043292016-11072011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial> 1. Fla. Stat. s.
85.021--- This unintelligible legislation admittedly cries out
to be rewritten. Issue is making the Owner liable personally to
non-privity lienors foreclosing their construction liens. I realize that
there is a 1917 case and a 1969 case that arguably supports holding an
Owner personally liable for claims of non-privity lienors. As construction
law is practiced today, however, at least in my universe, the Owner is only
personally liable to lienor claimants who enjoy a direct contractual
relationship with owner. So, for example, when a subcontractor lien is
bonded off by a GC pursuant to Fla. Stat. s. 713.24, the Owner is no longer
a proper party to the action. Owners should not bear personal liability
for construction debts owed to subcontractors. I believe having an in rem
remedy along with a contractual remedy against the contracting party (other than
Owner) is adequate for the protection of lower tier subs and suppliers. I
would recommend that the statute be clarified, consistent with practice today,
that the Owner not be subject to personal liability when a non-privity lienor is
foreclosing its lien. Owner, under certain circumstances, should continue
to be liable to non-privity claimants for unjust enrichment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=043292016-11072011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial> 2. Fla. Stat. s. 95.11 (2) (b) and
(e)-- While there is an inconsistency among the SOL's as noted, the
prescribed "cure" will prove far more harmful than the existing
shortcoming (which boils down to measuring the one year SOL period from the date
of sub's last date of furnishing vs. GC's last date of furnishing). The
proposed change will lead us right back to the bad old days when bond
claims were dominated by arguments about whether the bond was a "statutory bond"
or a "common law bond". The provision sought to be deleted at s. 95.11 (2)
(e) was actually passed to eliminate all the uncertainty and expense associated
with litigating that issue which generated great confusion in the trial
courts. The beauty of the existing language is that it doesn't
matter whether the bond is "statutory" or "common law"-- the one year period
applies. Now we are going to replace that clarity with the ambiguous
proposed language which introduces the same fog that generated the years of
unproductive and wasteful litigation on common law vs. statutory bonds. If
you want to make the SOL's all consistent, it is easy to do without injecting
all the uncertainty and ambiguity the proposed legislation offers.
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<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-us><B>Michael R. Gibbons (<A
href="http://lowndes-law.com/our-people/michael-r-gibbons">Bio</A>)<BR>Shareholder<BR></B></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT color=#008000 size=2>Lowndes, Drosdick, Doster, Kantor &
Reed, P.A.<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#008000 size=2>450
South Orange Avenue, 8th Floor<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#008000 size=2>Orlando, FL 32801<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#008000 size=2>Phone: 407-418-6378<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#008000 size=2>Fax: 407-843-4444<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#008000 size=2>email:</FONT> <A
href="mailto:michael.gibbons@lowndes-law.com"><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>michael.gibbons@lowndes-law.com</FONT></A></SPAN><BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT color=#008000 size=2>website:</FONT> <A
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Reese
J. Henderson, Jr.<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 11, 2011 11:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [RPPTL-constructionlaw]
Lien Law Legislative Proposal<BR><B>Importance:</B> High<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In connection with today’s call, please find attached the
legislative committee’s proposal for which we are seeking approval to forward to
the Executive Council for further action and, hopefully, submission during the
2012 legislative session. Attached are:<o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">1.<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN><![endif]>Legislative Position Request Form<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The long and short is that we are seeking to clarify certain
provisions of the lien law to eliminate contradictory references, clarify the
statute of limitations on actions on payment bonds, tweak the statutory claim of
lien form; tweak the statutory notice of commencement form and clean up the
section dealing with electronic proof of delivery. I will be on the call
to answer any questions.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Reese<o:p></o:p></P>
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matter(s) addressed, discussed or referenced herein. Each taxpayer should
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issue(s), transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed, discussed or referenced
herein based upon his, her or its particular circumstances.</FONT></P>
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writing, such tax advice is not written or intended to be used, and cannot be
used by you (the addressee), or other person(s), for purposes of (1) avoiding
penalties imposed under the United States Internal Revenue Code or (2)
promoting, marketing or recommending to any other person(s) the (or any of the)
transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed, discussed or referenced herein. Each
taxpayer should seek advice from an independent tax advisor with respect to any
Federal tax issue(s), transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed, discussed or
referenced herein based upon his, her or its particular circumstances. [v4.30]
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<B>Notice Under U.S. Treasury Department Circular 230:</B> To the extent that this e-mail communication and the attachment(s) hereto, if any, may contain written advice concerning or relating to a Federal (U.S.) tax issue, United States Treasury Department Regulations (Circular 230) require that we (and we do hereby) advise and disclose to you that, unless we expressly state otherwise in writing, such tax advice is not written or intended to be used, and cannot be used by you (the addressee), or other person(s), for purposes of (1) avoiding penalties imposed under the United States Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to any other person(s) the (or any of the) transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed, discussed or referenced herein. Each taxpayer should seek advice from an independent tax advisor with respect to any Federal tax issue(s), transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed, discussed or referenced herein based upon his, her or its particular circumstances.
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