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<p class="MsoNormal">Additional comments are welcome, but I wanted to thank you all for taking the time to contribute to the discussion.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your thoughts are appreciated and I will keep the CLC posted as to the eventual resolution.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] GC Permit vs Owner Subs and liability<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The case you cited below may also be distinguishable as it held that the GC was responsible for “its” subcontractors. A contractor in direct privity is not a subcontractor to the GC.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Under your fact pattern, whereby GC did not authorize Owner’s other Contractor(s) to perform work under GC’ permit, I think there is a strong argument to be made that GC is not liable for the defective work of Owners other contractors. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Moreover, an argument could be made that Owner is liable to GC for the cost, reasonable profit and delay damages to the extent, if any, that the building official, etc. requires GC to perform additional work to the close out the GC’ master
permit, etc., as a result of the defective work of Owner’s other contractors. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The timing of GC’ actual knowledge of the other contractors Work may also be relevant. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On May 19, 2023, at 3:16 PM, RPPTL CLC-Discussion <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CLC, this issue seems familiar, but I can’t locate an email thread.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have that thread, or any thoughts on the issue below? Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:black">Facts: </span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Owner engages General Contractor (“GC”) for commercial construction project.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">GC obtains the necessary Building Permit.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Owner independently engages “sub” contractors for certain subcontract work (direct privity between Owner and Owner’s Subs – GC not involved.)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">The municipality in which the project is taking place uses a single permit system.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Subcontractors merely fill out and submit a Subcontractor Job Card, which references the GC’s permit #.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">All work performed by subcontractors takes place under that GC’s permit #.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:black">GC did not authorize those subcontractors engaged by the Owner to work under his permit, but, given the municipality’s single permit system, they ended up under his permit by default.
(No grant of authority or sign off by the GC is required.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7">Owner’s direct privity contractors produce deficient work within their scope.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7">Owner now claims that GC is responsible for the deficient work of Owner’s Contractors because GC obtained building permit.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Question:</u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is a general contractor liable for deficiencies in, or remediation of, the work of subcontractors who were engaged by and in direct privity with the property owner, if those subcontractors obtained permitting under the general contractors
permit? Case law is welcome. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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