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Wow. All you Republicans are worried about protecting consumers? My subs and suppliers must strictly comply but close enough is ok for consumers? Change the law? Didn’t hear this about 558. You go Rob. Biden in 2020! <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 28, 2020, at 4:23 PM, RPPTL CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If Jeff says we shouldn’t do it, now I KNOW it needs to happen.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In all seriousness though, I think it would be good public policy all around to add it. It doesn’t hurt any of the subs or suppliers we represent. They still have valid liens. It adds some consumer protection for the (perhaps lazy/cheap,
or just helplessly uninformed) owner. It adds another tool in the tool box for us to use and possibly have a fee award. The only person it’s bad for is the GC that didn’t pay his subs/suppliers. Even if they had a legitimate reason for non-payment, it
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>RPPTL CLC-Discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 28, 2020 3:54 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] 713.346: Time to let Owners in on the party?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">In response to Rob’s original question (“</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Can anyone think of a compelling reason why 713.346 should
not be amended to add a statutory cause of action (with a right to prevailing party fees) for an Owner who is harmed by a lienor’s failure to pay a lower tier lienor?”<span style="color:#2F5496">) – YES. Because of the next part – (“</span>I know the owner
should be getting all the proper releases in order to give themselves a proper payment defense, but . . .”<span style="color:#2F5496">). The “but” part is not a good reason to make a change. It is frustrating, “but” everyone has a job to do and the Owner saving
a buck by being his own lawyer and getting hosed is no different than a CG saving a buck by being their own lawyer and getting hosed. Hard to legislate away ignorance.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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insufferable pain to the contractor. It has always resulted in payment for me because the crappy contractor needs their ticket so they can continue cheating others.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>RPPTL CLC-Discussion<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You only include the “scary seeming remedies” (whatever those are) when the contract is drafted within a week of Halloween.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Presently my take away from this scenario is that when drafting a contract on behalf of an owner you should always include a specific payment indemnity with lots of scary seeming remedies.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I recently encountered this- the bad actor admitted they had been paid and did not pay my client - I was shocked at the lack of causes of action to chase the money – yes , it’s a crime , but that does not really get the money back
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It would be great to be able to plead the permissive inference in Fla. Stat. § 713.345(1)(c) and not try to “shoehorn” it into a cause of action. Can’t be the basis for a civil theft claim.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] 713.346: Time to let Owners in on the party?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with both of you but think 713.346 would be the better place to make the change. <br clear="all">
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