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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">In response to Rob’s original question (“</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Can anyone think of a compelling reason why 713.346 should
not be amended to add a statutory cause of action (with a right to prevailing party fees) for an Owner who is harmed by a lienor’s failure to pay a lower tier lienor?”</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">) – YES. Because of the next part – (“</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I
know the owner should be getting all the proper releases in order to give themselves a proper payment defense, but . . .”</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">). The “but” part is not a good reason to make a change. It is frustrating, “but” everyone
has a job to do and the Owner saving a buck by being his own lawyer and getting hosed is no different than a CG saving a buck by being their own lawyer and getting hosed. Hard to legislate away ignorance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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insufferable pain to the contractor. It has always resulted in payment for me because the crappy contractor needs their ticket so they can continue cheating others.
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<p class="MsoNormal">You only include the “scary seeming remedies” (whatever those are) when the contract is drafted within a week of Halloween.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Larry R. Leiby, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Presently my take away from this scenario is that when drafting a contract on behalf of an owner you should always include a specific payment indemnity with lots of scary seeming remedies.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I recently encountered this- the bad actor admitted they had been paid and did not pay my client - I was shocked at the lack of causes of action to chase the money – yes , it’s a crime , but that does not really get the money back
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It would be great to be able to plead the permissive inference in Fla. Stat. § 713.345(1)(c) and not try to “shoehorn” it into a cause of action. Can’t be the basis for a civil theft claim.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] 713.346: Time to let Owners in on the party?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with both of you but think 713.346 would be the better place to make the change. <br clear="all">
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