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<p class="MsoNormal">I recently encountered this- the bad actor admitted they had been paid and did not pay my client - I was shocked at the lack of causes of action to chase the money – yes , it’s a crime , but that does not really get the money back
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It would be great to be able to plead the permissive inference in Fla. Stat. § 713.345(1)(c) and not try to “shoehorn” it into a cause of action. Can’t be the basis for a civil theft claim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with both of you but think 713.346 would be the better place to make the change. <br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I agree Robert. However, while we are on the subject, couldn’t a similar end be achieved by the Legislature creating a private civil cause of action under 713.345 which currently
creates criminal liability for a contractor who misapplies construction funds? Over the past few years, I have had instances on behalf of both Owner clients and subcontractor clients where a private cause of action under 713.345 for a statutory violation
would have been most useful. When a contractor receives funds from an owner and doesn’t pay subs and suppliers (with no good faith performance related basis to withhold payment), then both the owner and sub will be hurt. It would be beneficial to see more
civil teeth in the legislation. I have gone the route of getting local law enforcement involved under 713.345 but it is a long and arduous process and very dependent on the quality and interest level of the agency having jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] 713.346: Time to let Owners in on the party?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Can anyone think of a compelling reason why 713.346 should not be amended to add a statutory cause of action (with a right to prevailing party fees) for an Owner who is harmed by
a lienor’s failure to pay a lower tier lienor? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And….. before anyone types it, yes, I know the owner should be getting all the proper releases in order to give themselves a proper payment defense but in my experience, far more
than half of single family residential owners and most small commercial owners, do not get lien releases for progress payments or even final payments. They usually do if a lender is involved, but not always.
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