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<p class="MsoNormal">All of which fails to address the elephant in the living room of how does the court force a party who posted the cash deposit, or a surety on a transfer bond, to increase the penal sum when it/they do not have the financial means to do
so or where there is a surety, the surety does not want to based upon underwriting concerns with the principal?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Due process seems to say a judge cannot force a surety to undertake additional contractual risk without being compensated. Same problem where owner transfers the lein to cash security (no bonding company) and then conveys the property,
free and clear. Strike pleadings? Maybe, but that is not going to put the additional attorney fees into the pot. I was able to successfully defend against such a Motion in Federal Court where the Plaintiff’s attorney decided to create diversity jurisdiction
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The dicta in Royal Marble does point to a suggested and typical workaround, that is
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">… although the trial court's order prevents Royal Marble from seeking prospective attorney's fees, the company
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">may continue to file motions seeking to increase the bond as it incurs fees that exceed the amount of the security bond</span> that is set aside for fees and court costs.
<i>Royal Marble, Inc. v. Innovative Flooring & Stonecrafters of SWF, Inc.,</i> 932 So. 2d 221, 222-23 (Fla. 2d DCA 2005)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Let’s consider the rest of the language:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="number"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:navy;background:white">(3) </span></span><span class="text"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:navy;background:white">Any
party having an interest in such security or the property from which the lien was transferred may at any time, and any number of times, file a complaint in chancery in the circuit court of the county where such security is deposited,
<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">or file a motion in a pending action</span>
</b>to enforce a lien, <b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">for an order to require additional security</span></b>, reduction of security, change or substitution of sureties, payment of discharge thereof, or any other matter affecting said
security. <b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">If the court finds</span></b> that the amount of the deposit or bond in excess of the amount claimed in the claim of lien is insufficient to pay the lienor’s attorney’s fees and court costs
incurred in the action to enforce the lien, <b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">the court must increase</span></b> the amount of the cash deposit or lien transfer bond.</span></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Read in context, it seems to me the court MUST increase the security if the movant has already incurred the fees, but this does not affect the court’s discretion (i.e., whether the court MAY increase the security)
based on prospective fees. And the <i>Royal Marble </i>decision is a certiorari jurisdiction case – it did not reach the merits of the decision below, only that it did not constitute “irreparable harm.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The statute does say incurred
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a follow up, I did find this case which seems to support Lee’s analysis.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I’m not mistaken, I think you can only move to increase the deposit for fees you actually already incurred, not fees you anticipate incurring in the future.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who to join when lien boded off under 713.24<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am involved in a construction lien case, where is the owner has bonded off the lien under 713.24 by depositing the funds in the court registry. I know I need to amend to join
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