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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>I agree with your first two examples but not the third. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>To make the point with a possibly overstated example, suppose a person writes up a multipage contract, with exhibits, and all sorts of “Witnisseth” and “Whereas” clauses. Then the client signs it. I simply disagree that by signing the client becomes the preparer. More significantly, in my view your third example is the unauthorized practice of law.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>The following quotes are stolen from… I mean the results of research including … a publication called SUMMARY OF UNLICENSED PRACTICE OF LAW CASES<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>In The Florida Bar v. Sperry, 140 So. 2d 587, 591 (Fla. 1962), judg. vacated on other grounds, 373 U.S. 379 (1963) the Court found that setting forth a broad definition of the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>practice of law was "nigh onto impossible" and instead developed the following test to determine whether an activity is the practice of law:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>. . .if the giving of [the] advice and performance of [the] services affect<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>important rights of a person under the law, and if the reasonable protection<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>of the rights and property of those advised and served requires that the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>persons giving such advice possess legal skill and a knowledge of the law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>greater than that possessed by the average citizen, then the giving of such<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>advice and the performance of such services by one for another as a course<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>of conduct constitute the practice of law.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>It constitutes the unlicensed practice of law for a nonlawyer to prepare bankruptcy forms for another. The Florida Bar v. Catarcio, 709 So. 2d 96 (Fla. 1998). This includes the petition and any necessary schedules. However, the nonlawyer may sell blank forms necessary for a bankruptcy and complete the forms with information provided in writing by the individual. The Florida Bar v. Brumbaugh, 355 So. 2d 1186 (Fla. 1978). It also constitutes the unlicensed practice of law for a nonlawyer to represent someone in bankruptcy court. The Florida Bar v. Kaufman, 452 So. 2d 526 (Fla. 1984).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>The Supreme Court of Florida has held that a nonlawyer may prepare the notice to owner and notice to contractor required by the mechanics lien statute. The Fla. Bar re: Advisory Opinion - Nonlawyer Preparation of Notice to Owner and Notice to Contractor, 544 So. 2d 1013 (Fla. 1989). However, a nonlawyer may not prepare liens or give legal advice regarding the statute. The Fla. Bar re: Advisory Opinion - Activities of Community Association Managers, 681 So. 2d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>1119 (Fla. 1996).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>The bankruptcy cases give the best example of why I disagree with the third point. If all the nonlawyer does is type up a form with information supplied by the client, it isn’t UPL. If the non-lawyer gives any advice on what to put in the form, that’s the practice of law, and in my opinion makes the non-lawyer the preparer of the form.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>Langfred W. White, Esquire<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#642828'><img width=67 height=87 style='width:.6979in;height:.9062in' id="Picture_x0020_14" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D64FC6.6F960570"> <img width=81 height=81 style='width:.8437in;height:.8437in' id="Picture_x0020_15" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D64FC6.6F960570"> <img width=173 height=75 style='width:1.802in;height:.7812in' id="Picture_x0020_16" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D64FC6.6F960570"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>The Law Offices of Langfred W. White, PA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>P.O. Box 8334<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>Clearwater, FL 33758<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>Email: <a href="mailto:lan@lwwhiteattorney.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>lan@lwwhiteattorney.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'>Phone: (727) 422-5064<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#7030A0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#642828'>This electronic message is confidential and may be subject to an attorney-client privilege or an attorney work product privilege, or may otherwise be exempt from discovery under applicable federal and state law. 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Pursuant to IRS Circular 230, please be advised this message, and any advice contained in it, is not intended to be used and may not be used to avoid any tax penalties that may be imposed on you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#642828'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Vega<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com><br><b>Cc:</b> clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Again, if an employee of the client prepares the form and it is reviewed and signed by the owner’s president, the lienor prepared it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>if the lienor’s president’s daughter types up the form consulting with her dad and the dad/president reviews and signs it, it is same thing – the lienor prepared it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If the lienor goes to his lawyers office (Becker and Poliakoff) to meet you to help him fill out the form, and you do but he reviews and signs it, Lienor prepared it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Daniel R. Vega, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Florida Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-DO style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C00000'>E-mail: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com"><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C00000'>dvega@tevtlaw.com</span></a></span><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C00000'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.tevtlaw.com"><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>www.tevtlaw.com</span></a></span><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C00000'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><img border=0 width=475 height=67 style='width:4.9479in;height:.6979in' id="_x0000_i1053" src="cid:image020.jpg@01D64FC4.EB41CA30"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#262626'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#262626'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#262626'>The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney–client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Henderson, Jr. <<a href="mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com">Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Clients can always do things for themselves. 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Henderson, Jr. <<a href="mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com">Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;padding:2.0p'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>[EXTERNAL EMAIL]</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That would happen to any client who prepares its own liens lee. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The noc would also be recorded against the wrong property. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What is the point? That only lawyers should prepare liens? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>If lienor can prepare lien, the fact lienor signs it, means client prepared it. Like anything else. I can draft a letter for you. If u sign it and send it out, you prepared it. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel R. Vega, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com">lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And if the NOC was incorrect and she liened the wrong property, I hope she has insurance. Reliance on an NOC is not a defense to a defective lien.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:9.75pt 0in 9.75pt 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>Lee</span></b><b><span style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:remialcxesans;color:white'></span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>A.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>Weintraub<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>Shareholder<br>Board Certified in Construction Law<br>Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group<br>Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:9.75pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beckerlawyers.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdvega%40tevtlaw.com%7C4e7aa5f896c84ab2646908d81df43f6e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292282176736355&sdata=rTzyYQ383JUVgHf2JzjKUTmmCIPPDRHIOyN4EB%2BTs3A%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><image127546.png></span></a><span class=MsoHyperlink><span style='text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:9.75pt 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>Becker & Poliakoff<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#000001'>Ft. 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Henderson, Jr. <<a href="mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com">Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;padding:2.0p'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>[EXTERNAL EMAIL]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>No. But she can copy the legal from the notice of commencement <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel R. Vega, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Reese J. 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Linkhorst <<a href="mailto:ACL@floridahardhatlaw.com">ACL@floridahardhatlaw.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <<a href="mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com">Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com</a>>; Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; Barry Kalmanson <<a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com">bkpa1@aol.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:red'>This message originated outside of GrayRobinson.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Take a look at SC13-889. It may be helpful. Deals with property mangers but seems very instruction and has a lot behind it. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Adam C. Linkhorst, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Linkhorst & Hockin, P.A.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>C - 954.562.9199<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>W - 561.626.8880<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>> on behalf of Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <<a href="mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com">Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:09:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; Barry Kalmanson <<a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com">bkpa1@aol.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dan: Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber? Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)? Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><br><b>Reese J. 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The client then signs it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Who prepared the lien? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xmsonormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Daniel R. Vega, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Florida Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <<a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com">bkpa1@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Barry Kalmanson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>500 N Maitland Avenue</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Suite 305 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Maitland, Fl. 32751</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>407-645-4500 x 215</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdvega%40tevtlaw.com%7C4e7aa5f896c84ab2646908d81df43f6e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292282176845874&sdata=MEXP%2BuYHcs5uBfy%2Frdc7bElDfJH7rAfQqUmPRKv5iGw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://www.barrykalmanson.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Bruce Partington <<a href="mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com">bpartington@clarkpartington.com</a>><br>To: Jeffrey Price <<a href="mailto:jeff@npw-law.com">jeff@npw-law.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am<br>Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="x_yiv5527013830"><div><div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy;background:white'>Any corporation may execute </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy;background:yellow'>instruments conveying</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy;background:white'>, mortgaging, or </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy;background:yellow'>affecting any interest in lands</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy;background:white'> by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bruce Partington | Shareholder</span></strong><b><span 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey Price<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6<sup>th</sup> at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Question</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F9AAE;text-transform:uppercase;letter-spacing:.2pt'>connie Clark</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Senior Underwriting Counsel </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F9AAE'>P</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>: 800</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>.432.9594 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a 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