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<div>Every lienor is trained to serve a joint notice to owner/notice to contractor. </div>
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<div>And if there is no bond showing on the noc, the lienor is required to lien the job. </div>
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<div>Presently even if a valid 713.245 bond is present, the lienor needs to proceed to lien the project subject to an owner transfer to the conditional bond - after recording a certificate of payment within 90 days of the lien being recorded. </div>
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<div>The real problem with the suggested process is for the lienor without pay when paid language in its k who relies on the lien process. When the bond is ultimately disclosed as conditional, the lienor may have failed to serve a notice of non payment per
713.23 since the bond cannot be conditional as to it without pay when paid. </div>
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<div>The last paragraph of NAS hughes supply makes clear that a lienor’s error in interpreting the bond is not an excuse for failing to comply w the lien law. (Laser engineering got screwed). </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The problem with a conditional payment bond that is not disclosed as such is that the lienor likely will only learn that fact after its lien rights already have expired. That’s the reason for the current language
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<p class="MsoNormal">At least the noc still requires that a surety be identified.
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<p class="MsoNormal">However I agree with you 100 percent. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the end, someone needs to let the lawmakers know that a conditional bond will always be treated as a different bond to some lienors on a project. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The reason is simple: the contractor can only control the inclusion of pay when paid language in its contract with its subs. Subssubs and material supliers wil likely never have pay when paid language in
their contracts and proposals. And pay when paid language is a condition precedent to the existence of a 713.245 bond. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#2F5496">Changes were made yesterday – I have struck through the items that were cut by amendment</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#2F5496">Now, the NNP is more in-keeping with what we already have – they are simply rearranging the deck chairs, so I have no issue here.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#2F5496">But I still have a big issue with the next part which was not addressed:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2F5597"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">The new, </span>
</b><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5597">sneaky way to file a Conditional Payment Bond</span></b><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The bill provides an additional way for a contractor to record a conditional bond. The bill also provides that failing to properly record a conditional payment bond does not preclude the bond from
being a conditional payment bond. That’s a change</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The bill provides that
</span><i><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:red">in lieu of</span></u></i><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:red">
</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">listing the bond as a conditional payment bond on the NOC and recording the bond with the NOC, a contractor may record a notice identifying the bond as a conditional payment bond with the bond attached before
the contractor begins work on the project in </span><i><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:red">a separate filing</span></u></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">I do not see why, if the payment bond is conditional upon payment by the Owner, that can’t be required to be stated upfront.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">Why “in lieu of”?
<i><u>Not to save money</u></i>, because that’s an extra filing fee and action. <i>
<u>Not because you got the bond later</u></i>, because it says you must file it before beginning work. So what is the reason if not to be a sneaky little shit (borrowing language from Animal House, remember Niedermeyer?).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">Under this scheme, the Contractor has a conditional payment bond in place, refuses to record it with the NOC, (even though they have it), do a separate filing of just the bond, and now we have
a secrete bond that comes out only when a claim is made. My guy may not have wanted to do the job I they knew the bond was conditional. But was he given any knowledge, any choice, or was the knowledge hidden (in plain sight buried in the public records)? If
you want to buy a conditional bond, go buy one. That’s the market at work. But don’t hide that fact. It appears that the people pushing this idea know full well that a conditional bond sucks and they want to hide that fact. Come on, be proud of your conditional
bond – bring it out of the closet!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5597">Now we get to look in additional locations for information – that makes things easier – not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#2F5496">For those of you trying to keep up, here is the original bill and changes made so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This bill</span></u></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> ups the notice requirement for the NNP
<span style="color:#2F5597">(</span><i><span style="color:red">additions in RED</span></i><span style="color:#2F5597">)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:1.5pt;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The name of the contractor and the contractor’s address;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:1.5pt;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The name of the surety and the surety’s address;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The nature of the labor or services performed;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:1.5pt;text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">The materials to be furnished, if known</span></i><i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:1.5pt;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The lienor’s signature and address.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:1.5pt;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This stuff was in the above, but was cut – good:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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makes a false written declaration is guilty of a third degree felony); </span></s></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Vega<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 19, 2019 8:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Barry Kalmanson <<a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com">bkpa1@aol.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] HB 1247<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Barry. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to participate on the call. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Working in Miami for the past 20 years, where a large portion of the subs speak mainly Spanish, the notice of non payment amendment will certainly make it more difficult for these companies to perfect their claims without the assistance
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 713.245 amendment, what is the purpose of recording the notice identifying bond as conditional if nothing occurs if it is not recorded ?
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<p class="MsoNormal">And isnt 713.245 supposed to sunset at some point? No owner with half a brain will purchase one of these bonds especially since as I understand it, they cost the same as a 713.23 bond. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, why would the legislature equate a notice of non payment to an encumbrance on real estate?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Finally, am I reading this amendment right so that if passed, 627.428 will apply to a payment bond claimant’s fee claim - net judgment instead of significant issues? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Daniel R. Vega, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 19, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Barry Kalmanson <<a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com">bkpa1@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We should immediately hold a conference call to vote on the proposed bill and have our lobbyist act on our behalf.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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