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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Ah!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Frederick C. Barnes, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Board Certified Construction Lawyer<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>500 N. Maitland Ave., Suite 305<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Maitland, FL 32751<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>(407) 865-9200<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.fcbarneslaw.com/"><span style='color:blue'>www.fcbarneslaw.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><img border=0 width=486 height=149 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image001.png@01D37356.84F0C670" alt="rsz_1fcb_lrg_logo"></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brown, Gary L. [mailto:gary.brown@saul.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Fred Barnes; 'Larry Leiby'; 'Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.'; 'Dan Vega'; 'Weintraub, Lee'<br><b>Cc:</b> clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>“Scienter”. Now that’s a term I haven’t heard since criminal law class in law school Fred! Thanks for that. Brought back great memories of the class and professor. One of my favorite classes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sorry this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but everyone has already beat this horse to death </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width=100 style='width:75.0pt;padding:0in 9.75pt 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=139 height=81 id="Picture_x0020_5" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D37356.84F0C670" alt="Description: cid:image002.jpg@01D32CA9.D0270670"></span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=1 valign=top style='width:.6pt;border:none;border-left:solid #0536B3 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 6.75pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td nowrap colspan=2 style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><b><span style='color:black'>Gary L. Brown</span></b><span style='color:#535A61'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#535A61'>|</span><span style='color:#535A61'> Partner</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><b><span style='color:#535A61'>Board Certified in Construction Law</span></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap colspan=2 style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td></tr><tr><td nowrap style='padding:.75pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:11.0pt'><b><span style='color:#002060'>SAUL EWING ARNSTEIN & LEHR LLP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td></tr><tr><td nowrap colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='color:#535A61'>200 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1000 </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#535A61'>|</span><span style='color:#535A61'> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='color:#535A61'>Tel: 954.713.7615 </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#535A61'>|</span><span style='color:#535A61'> Fax: 954.713.7715 </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><u><span style='color:#0536B3'><a href="mailto:gary.brown@saul.com">gary.brown@saul.com</a></span></u><span style='color:#0536B3'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#535A61'>|</span><span style='color:#0536B3'> <u><a href="http://www.saul.com/">www.saul.com</a></u> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:12.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='color:red'>* Please note that our Firm name and my email address have changed. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred Barnes<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Larry Leiby'; 'Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.'; 'Dan Vega'; 'Weintraub, Lee'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Let me chime in as a late-comer to the discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>It seems to me that there is no valid reason to invalidate the lien. The non-lawyer lien-preparer may be subject to prosecution for the unauthorized practice of law, but what is the rational for penalizing the lienor? Aiding and abetting the unauthorized practice of law? I doubt scienter could be established. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Frederick C. Barnes, Esq.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Board Certified Construction Lawyer</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>500 N. Maitland Ave., Suite 305</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Maitland, FL 32751</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>(407) 865-9200</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.fcbarneslaw.com/">www.fcbarneslaw.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><img border=0 width=486 height=149 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D37356.84F0C670" alt="rsz_1fcb_lrg_logo"></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Larry Leiby<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.; 'Dan Vega'; 'Weintraub, Lee'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The issue is that the Florida Bar doesn’t want non lawyers giving legal advice. The landmark case on this was Florida Bar v Carmel. Where a notice company puts that they prepared the lien on the lien it is red meat for the Bar unlicensed practice of law committee. That is why they simply put the customer’s name as preparer. A non lawyer can prepare a contract, or prepare a lien for itself. The notice companies, and anyone else, are prohibited from practicing law or giving legal advice to others. Some notice companies refer requests for claim of lien to counsel to avoid the issue. Some notice companies simply prepare the lien for their customers, which is prohibited to the extent that the notice company makes legal decisions. Preparing a claim of lien is fraught with legal decisions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I see the notice companies running afoul of the law, yet in many instances helping their customers. When they screw up it is going to come back to bite them. Also, any owner can claim that the lien is invalid due to being prepared by a nonlawyer (if that is established, likely by deposition). Whether a court will invalidate such a lien is still an open question. The possibility is there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Happy Holidays, Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Dan Vega' <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; 'Weintraub, Lee' <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'>If the notice company informed those subs that Florida law prohibits notice companies from preparing claims of lien, they would likely reconsider relying on the notice company for legal advice.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid??? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it. Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential. On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In litigation. They draft their own contracts all the time.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Lienors are usually companies. Companies cannot rep themselves. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course). But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it. NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Makes no sense <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3d6c270c-3956-4543-a3af-6c1545225391 style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer. <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3d6c270c-3956-4543-a3af-6c1545225391 style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Lee</span></b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <b>A. 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If we can be of assistance in any way, please call us toll-free at 1-844-CAREBP1 (1-844-227-3271) or by email at <a href="mailto:care@bplegal.com">care@bplegal.com</a>. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Coral Gables, Florida 33134<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (305) 962-5186<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com">dvega@tevtlaw.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'>Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar <br></span></b><span style='font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:blue'>Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:navy'>1460 Wood Row Way <br>Wellington, FL 33414 <br>Telephone: (561) 753-7511 <br>Facsimile: (561) 753-7082 <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:blue'><a href="Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com">Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Kalmanson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Barry Kalmanson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>500 N Maitland Avenue</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Suite 305 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Maitland, Fl. 32751</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>407-645-4500 x 215</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.barrykalmanson.com">www.barrykalmanson.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>CLC-Discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>CLC-Discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>"Saul Ewing Arnstein & Lehr LLP (saul.com)" has made the following annotations:</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This e-mail may contain privileged, confidential, copyrighted, or other legally protected information. 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