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<div>Take a look at Instrument # 2017122297 Sarasota County recorded on 10/03/2017 </div>
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<div>Prepared by a notice company in Oregon for a company in Florida and notarized in Louisiana after being signed by an employee of the notice company. </div>
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<div>Barry Kalmanson</div>
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From: Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com><br>
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Cc: Leiby <Leiby@mkpalaw.com>; clc-discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org><br>
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I don’t see that. I see a lien form from a notice company signed by lienor.
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<div>By the way, who is a lienor’s “agent”??? </div>
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<div>Daniel R. Vega</div>
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<div>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. </div>
<div>2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220</div>
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<div>Telephone: (305) 443-2043</div>
<div>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048</div>
<div>Cell: (305) 962-5186</div>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Barry Kalmanson <<a href="mailto:bkpa1@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">bkpa1@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Employees of notice companies are routinely preparing and signing the liens. Not just filling them in with information from the lienor and having the lienor execute the document.</div>
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<div>Just last week I found several in Sarasota County prepared by and signed by employees of Zlien.</div>
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<div>This is common in S. Florida.</div>
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<div>Barry Kalmanson</div>
<div>500 N Maitland Avenue</div>
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From: Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>><br>
To: Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>><br>
Cc: clc-discussion <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>><br>
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<div>The lienor is signing a form that includes data provided by the lienor. </div>
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<div>The notice Company is not preparing the lien. </div>
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<div>The notice Company facilitates the lienor’s preparation of the lien and records it for a fee. </div>
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<div>In South Florida, this service is extremely valuable to the very people who are actually physically performing the work. </div>
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<div>Daniel R. Vega</div>
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<div>Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. </div>
<div>2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220</div>
<div>Coral Gables, Florida 33134</div>
<div>Telephone: (305) 443-2043</div>
<div>Facsimile: (305) 443-2048</div>
<div>Cell: (305) 962-5186</div>
<div>E-mail: <a href="mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="aolmail_aolmail_MsoNormal">The issue is that the Florida Bar doesn’t want non lawyers giving legal advice. The landmark case on this was Florida Bar v Carmel. Where a notice company puts that they prepared the lien on the lien it is red meat for the Bar
unlicensed practice of law committee. That is why they simply put the customer’s name as preparer. A non lawyer can prepare a contract, or prepare a lien for itself. The notice companies, and anyone else, are prohibited from practicing law or giving legal
advice to others. Some notice companies refer requests for claim of lien to counsel to avoid the issue. Some notice companies simply prepare the lien for their customers, which is prohibited to the extent that the notice company makes legal decisions. Preparing
a claim of lien is fraught with legal decisions.</div>
<div class="aolmail_aolmail_MsoNormal">I see the notice companies running afoul of the law, yet in many instances helping their customers. When they screw up it is going to come back to bite them. Also, any owner can claim that the lien is invalid due to being prepared
by a nonlawyer (if that is established, likely by deposition). Whether a court will invalidate such a lien is still an open question. The possibility is there.</div>
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